Islam and Judaism are refuted.

[Cooky]

...You guys aren't being very novice friendly.

 

[David T]

In 1947 the Isaiah scroll was found in the Dead Sea, one found out that it was written in the 2nd century B.C. and therefore it is the oldest preserved manuscript of a whole book of the Bible. It was also found that the found Isaiah scroll is completely identical with the book of Isaiah in the Bible. This proves firstly that at least the book of Isaiah was not falsified, secondly that Jesus is the true God and the Father of eternity(Isaiah 9:6) and thirdly that Jesus was executed to die for the sins of mankind(Isaiah 53).

1947 was the year in which the Islam and the Judaism were refuted.

Here can you read the Isaiah scroll

Lazy...

 

[David T]

Isaiah proves nothing of the sort. It mentions nothing about anything that you say it does.

Yes.
Its just lazy christianity.
We are culturally preconditioned to be lazy. We go to school and we learn how we are suppose to think. Thats lazy but efficent. Then we reinforce lazy with lazy thru debate. Like fat folks at walmart! "no this is right isle, no this is the right isle."

 

[Cooky]

Like fat folks at walmart! "no this is right isle, no this is the right isle."

I'm so lost in here... I don't even know what I'm here for. I forgot.

 

[siti]

I'm so lost in here... I don't even know what I'm here for. I forgot.

Try the frozen food aisle - I'm pretty sure what you're looking for is there...and I'm pretty sure that's where the OP came from.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

No its not that either - unless you want it to be.

You can choose that view. It matters not what I want.

Regards Tony

 

[YoursTrue]

Actually it only demonstrates that the Book of Isaiah can be dated to at least the second century BC nothing less and nothing more. It could have been falsified(?) prior to the second century BC. The problem remains that prior to this we have no comprehensive scripture of the OT texts, and the history of the texts of the OT can only be dated indirectly to ~1000 to 700 BC, and at this time we have very little. The author and dating provenance of the texts of the OT are very weak at best. History and text analysis indicates that most of the books of the whole Bible lack original authors and have evolved through multiple sources.

If anything it does more to confirm Judaism and their scripture, but in reality it does nothing for or against the claims of Judaism, Christianity and Islam.

It seems inconsistent with reasoning that the Jewish scribes and priests and Kings would accept falsified writings as real and pass them on as actual.

 

[YoursTrue]

Genesis wasn't written until after the Babylonian exile and after Leviticus and Deuteronomy.

Are you sure of that? If so, how are you doing the dating?

 

[siti]

You can choose that view. It matters not what I want.

There is no way to make Isaiah 9:6 about Baha'u'llah (or Jesus) unless that's what you want it to say. It is not about me choosing anything - there is no mention of either Jesus or Baha'u'llah in that verse.

 

[Cooky]

Try the frozen food aisle - I'm pretty sure what you're looking for is there...and I'm pretty sure that's where the OP came from.

Ice cream. Good idea.

 

[sooda]

Are you sure of that? If so, how are you doing the dating?

There are many sources. Here's one.

When was Genesis written? - Quora
https://www.quora.com/When-was-Genesis-written
Feb 23, 2018 · The Priestly Source, who wrote during or shortly after the Babylonian Exile; The Redactor, who redacted the work of these sources into more or less the Book of Genesis we know today. It may have been Philo of Alexandria who, in the first century CE, first attributed Genesis to Moses.

 

[shunyadragon]

It seems inconsistent with reasoning that the Jewish scribes and priests and Kings would accept falsified writings as real and pass them on as actual.

First, what they edited, redacted, and compiled they thought was the truth as happened virtually all the cultures of the world as their writings evolved over time. The traditions of their sources was respected.

No not inconsistent at all, infact the objective evidence demonstrates that the Jewish scholars edited, redacted, and compiled the evolved scriptures from different older Canaanite, Ugarit, Babylonian, and Sumerian literature.

Facts are facts of the text analysis and matter of fact history. The Hebrew language itself evolved from Canaanite/Ugarit rather late in Middle East history.

 

[blü 2]

In 1947 the Isaiah scroll was found in the Dead Sea, one found out that it was written in the 2nd century B.C. and therefore it is the oldest preserved manuscript of a whole book of the Bible. It was also found that the found Isaiah scroll is completely identical with the book of Isaiah in the Bible. This proves firstly that at least the book of Isaiah was not falsified, secondly that Jesus is the true God and the Father of eternity(Isaiah 9:6) and thirdly that Jesus was executed to die for the sins of mankind(Isaiah 53).

1947 was the year in which the Islam and the Judaism were refuted.

Here can you read the Isaiah scroll

In a free country you can believe what you want.

In the real world, ancient texts are not messages from the divine but writings by individual humans at particular times and places for their own particular purposes.

And, still in the real world, the Christian Jesus is never mentioned in the Tanakh. Not anywhere. Not even once.

 

[shunyadragon]

Are you sure of that? If so, how are you doing the dating?

First, no known evidence of the existence of the scripture nor the Hebrew language before 1000 BCE, and evidence it evolved from older Canaanite Ugarit language. A great deal has been done to document the origins of the Hebrew language and text.

Reference to follow . . .

 

[TransmutingSoul]

There is no way to make Isaiah 9:6 about Baha'u'llah (or Jesus) unless that's what you want it to say. It is not about me choosing anything - there is no mention of either Jesus or Baha'u'llah in that verse.

It either is, or is not, the claim by Baha'u'llah, is that it is.

I accept that claim is true.

Regards Tony

 

[dybmh]

Ice cream. Good idea.

I recommend Talenti. The container is reusable; the threaded lid is water-tight.

 

[dybmh]

There are many sources. Here's one.

When was Genesis written? - Quora
https://www.quora.com/When-was-Genesis-written
Feb 23, 2018 · The Priestly Source, who wrote during or shortly after the Babylonian Exile; The Redactor, who redacted the work of these sources into more or less the Book of Genesis we know today. It may have been Philo of Alexandria who, in the first century CE, first attributed Genesis to Moses.

Quora? I know you can do better than that. You can do better, right?

 

[shunyadragon]

There is no way to make Isaiah 9:6 about Baha'u'llah (or Jesus) unless that's what you want it to say. It is not about me choosing anything - there is no mention of either Jesus or Baha'u'llah in that verse.

You basically believe there 'is no way' to make any ancient scriptures justify anything. Nothing new here concerning your view toward all religions.

The alternative is an evolving spiritual nature through all religions, and God exists..

What fails in vast contradictions is the exclusive primacy of any one ancient religion IF God exists, which would be a severe contradiction in God's relationship to Creation IF God exists..

 

[Sand Dancer]

Genesis wasn't written until after the Babylonian exile and after Leviticus and Deuteronomy.

Oh, I didn't know that. Is there a book reference or anything? I love reading about the order that the books were written and context, etc.

 

[shunyadragon]

I recommend Talenti. The container is reusable; the threaded lid is water-tight.

I recommend no container . . .

go with the flow the river knows . . .