Can we please see such a statement and it’s context?
Sorry, must have grabbed that from some faded and distorted memory current. Upon further research the master spoke a lot on bliss.
Ramana Maharshi: The Duty of Man — Final Liberation and Bliss
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Can we please see such a statement and it’s context?
Sorry, must have grabbed that from some faded and distorted memory current. Upon further research the master spoke a lot on bliss.
Ramana Maharshi: The Duty of Man — Final Liberation and Bliss
Then, even some masters like Ramana would describe that state as beyond bliss. So perhaps true bliss is nonexistent.
Yes me too. Not this lifetime, but the Atman 'I'. The intellectual take on it appears rather dull compared to a Master like Ramana.
AKASA *—Space or Dimension.
Three important words occur in the text, which are: cidakasa*, cittakasa* and bhutakasa*. Literally akasa* means space and hence cidakasa* means
consciousnessspace, cittakasa* means mindspace and bhutakasa* means the element space. These three concepts are thus beautifully explained by Bhagavan* Ramana* Maharsi:*.
"It is said that cidakasa* itself is atma* svarupa* (image of atma*) and that we can view it only with the help of the mind. How can we see it, if the mind has subsided?" someone asked. Bhagavan* said: "If the sky is taken as an illustration it must be stated to be of three varieties, cidakasa*, cittakasa* and bhutakasa* The natural state is called cidakasa* the I feeling that is born from cidakasa* is cittakasa*. As that cittakasa* expands and takes the shape of all the bhutas* (elements) this is all bhutakasa*
When the cittakasa* which is consciousness of the self (''I'') does not see the cidakasa* but sees the bhutakasa* it is said to be mano akasa* and when when it leaves mano akasa* and sees cidakasa* it is said to be cinmaya (pure consciousness). The subsiding of the mind means, the idea of multiplicity of objects vanishes and the idea of oneness of objects appears. When that is achieved everything appears natural."
Perhaps, a better translation for the word akasa* is "dimension". The same infinite consciousness is known as cidakasa*, cittakasa* and bhutakasa* viewed from the spiritual, mental (conceptual) and physical dimension respectively
Below Ramana Maharshi explains the "Who Am I" practice.I stick to Sai Baba, Ramana Maharshi and Yoga Vasistha when it comes to description of words like Bliss, Consciousness
I stick to Sai Baba, Ramana Maharshi and Yoga Vasistha when it comes to description of words like Bliss, Consciousness etc. I have found these to be consistent with each other. In the West people use different definitions, which to me make no sense when talking about Spirituality. Here is "cinmaya" translated as "pure Consciousness".
Below Ramana explains in short the "relation" between Body, Mind and Consciousness (From Yoga Vasistha)
I get the feeling that you think that my path is "less practical", and not about "how to get there". Maybe I feel wrong.In my path, and my sampradaya's teachings, it's far more about how to get there
I know it's beyond words, so to me those descriptions are not even interesting, let alone true. I go for personal experience alone.a description of what it's like when you do get there
Again I get the feeling you think I am not practical. I like Sai Baba especially because He is so practical, and even better He made it "simple" for meSo it's emphasis is practical.
That is exactly what my impression always has been of Hinduism. Very practical and useful, that's what I like so much about Hinduism.That's why we encourage temple worship, good works, service, inner striving, and values.
Are there Hindus that believe in shortcuts to the mountaintop? Some Christians do "Surrender to Jesus and you are saved". Hinduism I don't know.We don't believe in any shortcuts to the mountaintop.
Thank you for sharing. Ramana Maharshi is great. Whenever I see His name mentioned makes me smile already.
I get the feeling that you think that my path is "less practical", and not about "how to get there". Maybe I feel wrong.
I like Ramana Maharshi because He is very practical "how to get there". 1 Booklet, just 28 verses. Very concise, hence my favorite.
I know it's beyond words, so to me those descriptions are not even interesting, let alone true. I go for personal experience alone.
Again I get the feeling you think I am not practical. I like Sai Baba especially because He is so practical, and even better He made it "simple" for me
That is exactly what my impression always has been of Hinduism. Very practical and useful, that's what I like so much about Hinduism.
Are there Hindus that believe in shortcuts to the mountaintop? Some Christians do "Surrender to Jesus and you are saved". Hinduism I don't know.
Now you make much more sense to me then your previous replies on Ramana Maharshi.Sorry, must have grabbed that from some faded and distorted memory current. Upon further research the master spoke a lot on bliss.
Ramana Maharshi: The Duty of Man — Final Liberation and Bliss
The greatest error of a man is to think that he is weak by nature, evil by nature. Every man is divine and strong in his real nature. What are weak and evil are his habits, his desires and thoughts, but not himself. Aim high, aim at the highest, and all lower aims are thereby achieved. It is looking below on the stormy sea of differences that makes you sink. Look up, beyond these and see the One Glorious Real, and you are saved.
I used to get 'the Mountain Path'. My Guru's Guru's Guru, famous in Sri Lanka, sat with him once upon a time. It was silence only. I read Brunton's 'A Search in Sacred India'.Now you make much more sense to me then your previous replies on Ramana Maharshi.
Thanks for sharing this link.
Everytime I read Ramana material makes me happy. Simple explained and to the point. First line is why I could not follow Christianity in Church.
Was not that hard to sense, but glad I asked. You have got me totally wrong. I don't follow "western simplistic Vedanta". I don't know if it's a dangerous shortcut, but what you describe might easily lead to spiritual ego, which is the biggest obstacle on the spiritual path; incurable I read.I don't actually know you, nor you me. In my sampradaya the practical is detailed. That's what I was getting at. In some western simplistic Vedanta, yes, it's a shortcut. A dangerous shortcut. It consists of the belief that 'all is God' or 'I am God' on an external level, and therefore there is no use doing anything.
Sai Baba teaches that every act is best offered to God. Seva, Bhakthi and Jnana. Thinking one is above temple worship is spiritual ego; not wiseNo temple worship, cause I'm beyond that. .
I don't believe the Spiritual Path is that easy. But maybe it is "If you surrender to Jesus". I just don't know. I hope for them it is that easy.'Jnana' yoga without the previous bricks that hold it up. It's similar to the 'Jesus saved me' mentality you alluded to.
Was not that hard to sense, but glad I asked. You have got me totally wrong. I don't follow "western simplistic Vedanta".
True, you did not say it.I never said you were, I just pointed out what I see as the fallacies in that.
True, you did not say it.
Did the thought cross your mind?
Thanks. Very clear. That's exactly how it feels to me "take Ramana's beautiful teachings and ...Usually a huge distortion of 'I'"No, not at all. Sai Baba is universalist, that's much different than simplistic advaita. Simplistic advaita takes Ramana's beautiful teachings, and puts them into the intellectual instinctive realms where they don't belong. Usually a huge distortion of 'I'.
Universalism OTOH, has a place within Hinduism. Not my personal view but sure.
What is the name of your Guru? Living in India?I used to get 'the Mountain Path'. My Guru's Guru's Guru, famous in Sri Lanka, sat with him once upon a time. It was silence only. I read Brunton's 'A Search in Sacred India'.
What is the name of your Guru? Living in India?
And your Guru's Guru's Guru, who met Ramana; was this mentioned in this book?
Why is it important to know those things ?
Thank you for sharing. Ramana Maharshi is great. Whenever I see His name mentioned makes me smile already.
He is my favorite Teacher on "Who Am I" practice. He explains it so simple ... although I admit not easy.
How can you "Just be", without getting entangled in thoughts?