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Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by stvdv, Sep 6, 2019.

  1. stvdv

    stvdv Veteran Member: I Share (not Debate) my POV

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    Not all quotes contain truth in them
    Maybe an ignoramus made this claim
     
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  2. stvdv

    stvdv Veteran Member: I Share (not Debate) my POV

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    First you start using "junkie"
    Then you claim you rather don't label
    Then you reintroduce labels

    I am fine with whatever you chose

    In short:

    Seen from advaita all are junkies (addicted) to worldly desires.

    Addicted to Bliss is the best of all addictions according to my Master

    This makes sense to me.

    I am fine you label it "Spiritual junkie"
    I agree that we use different labels
     
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    It is also hearsay, when quoting someone other than self.

    Kabir, who has inspired all types of persons(not just theists) says that he never quotes scriptures, and only speaks that which he experiences himself.

    I wish we all could do the same.
    Throwing scriptures(or he said/ she said) at one another will never arrive at bliss. It only stimulates the I'm right/your wrong scenario.
     
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  4. atanu

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    Rupa jhana is domain of form, where/when bliss is experienced. That is not the same as arupa ananda of Vedanta, where there is no experience.
     
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    My goal, is happiness. My happiness is more in my control. Bliss, I did bliss. Bliss is ok but it is temporary and tends to separate one from reality. I find reality too interesting to be separated from it for too long.
     
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    I sometimes quote scripture because others see it as authority. My own words, not so much.
     
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    I don't have a problem with descriptive labels. It's hierarchies that I see as giving rise to evil, not labels.

    I'm not advaita, so I see things a bit differently.

    I'm using the term "spiritual junkies" to specifically refer to those who get addicted to the bliss of the third rupa jhana and consequentially get stuck there and do not progress onto the fourth rupa jhana. It's a dangerous time for them, and they are worthy of compassion.
     
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    Actually the word in Sanskrit is 'ananda', which has no opposite. Since, bliss also has no opposite, people conventionally use this word.

    The plain example is our deep sleep, which is bliss but a state of ignorance. The non-dual sachinanda (sat-chit-ananda), on the other hand, is waking deep sleep -- but there is no experiencer to experience sat-chit-ananda (truth-consciousness-bliss).
     
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    Being addicted to bliss is still being addicted to bliss. It is of the subjective like/dislike duality. My view of non-dual is overcoming this specific subjective illusion-inducing like/dislike bias.

    Your mileage may vary.
     
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    Yes, learned all about that following a Guru for many years. I can't see being able to experience both satchitananda and this worldly experience(whatever it is) at the same time. This never seemed to be what was intended.
     
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    Yes. The mileage is different. The bliss you talk of is of rupa domain. Sachinanda brooks no partition whatsoever. There is no experiencer addicted to bliss.
     
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    I was never the addiction type. Addiction is boring. Bliss was ok, whatever I experienced but boring. Life, with all of its drama is interesting.

    Nothingness, maybe what you are describing, is scary as hell. Not interested in experiencing that again.
     
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    I agree.

    It is said that when one sees only the world there is no satichanada. But there is a situation where a sage may appear to be acting as an individual from the point of view of onlookers like us. But the sage subjectively is sachidananda - non dual, existence-consciousness-bliss. This state is called sahaja samadhi.

    Well.I must say that this is only what I have read. :)
     
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    Me too.
     
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    I'm not describing nothingness. Equanimity is stability of mind, without any junkie-like behaviours, sitting easily with knowledge and experiences.
     
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    Just be on the alert for addictive attitudes and behaviours connected to it.
     
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    It has been said in different forms by different people but ultimately it can be traced back to the Beatitudes. "Blessed are the poor in spirit"
     
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    Sounds like a Zen concept.
     
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    Connected to what?
     
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    Thank you for the reminder

    Thank you for ignoring Kabir's advice this time, using "hear say", otherwise I would not have known.

    Some confuse temporary "euphory of winning or trampling" with Bliss maybe. Otherwise I can't understand why they do it.

    Sometimes quotes are very inspiring. Hence I started this OP and you used Kabir's "inspiring advice".

    Maybe if we stop doing this totally, we will be inspired and become like Kabir. Sounds like a plan. I will stop quoting on RF from now on. Thank you (Kabir).
     
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