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How to experience Bliss

stvdv

Veteran Member: I Share (not Debate) my POV
There is a discernable difference between addicts and non-addicts, no? Both addicts and non-addicts are people. However, to ignore the problem of addiction and junkie behaviour by making the label meaningless and devoid of individual discernment is to empower the addictive behaviour and the evil that arises from it.
First you start using "junkie"
Then you claim you rather don't label
Then you reintroduce labels

I am fine with whatever you chose

In short:

Seen from advaita all are junkies (addicted) to worldly desires.

Addicted to Bliss is the best of all addictions according to my Master

This makes sense to me.

I am fine you label it "Spiritual junkie"
I agree that we use different labels
 

Jedster

Well-Known Member
I just think it's protocol.

It is also hearsay, when quoting someone other than self.

Kabir, who has inspired all types of persons(not just theists) says that he never quotes scriptures, and only speaks that which he experiences himself.

I wish we all could do the same.
Throwing scriptures(or he said/ she said) at one another will never arrive at bliss. It only stimulates the I'm right/your wrong scenario.
 

atanu

Member
Premium Member
The third rupa jhana is indescribable bliss. However, if you don't progress on to the fourth rupa jhana of equinimity and individuation, you can become addicted to the bliss of the third rupa jhana and get stuck as a spiritual junkie.

Rupa jhana is domain of form, where/when bliss is experienced. That is not the same as arupa ananda of Vedanta, where there is no experience.
 

Nakosis

Non-Binary Physicalist
Premium Member
Interesting thoughts on Bliss, Truth, Love
"God" seems to be differently defined from usual.

My mother uses white lies, so I have no faith in her, no confidence and can't love (as in trust) her. Same with a murderer. No trust, faith, confidence. Yes I have the confidence he might kill me (even wise to not trust and wise to "love at big distance" in such cases IMO)

So to experience "God" (defined as Bliss here) it seems wise to stay away from those "killing" your confidence. This does make sense to me and is also my experience.

If I get to this "Bliss" state seems a good goal. More practical then "trying to find God" esp. since the definition of God is kind of diverse. "Bliss" is easier to imagine. Take orgasm and multiply it by 100. When I try to imagine "God" (Christian) I always go blank (no thought).

What are others' goals in life, being on RF. What precious "thing" you try to find or achieve in life? This "Bliss" is my goal for now.

Each and every one of you must have faith in God and self-confidence. If there is no faith you can achieve nothing. Where there is confidence there is Love. Where there is Love, there is Peace. Where there is Peace, there is Truth. Where there is Truth, there is Bliss. Where there is Bliss, there is God. In fact, without faith you can have no faith even in your mother. There should be confidence. Once you have confidence that a person is your mother, you love her. Confidence leads to love. Love takes you to peace. Peace produces truth and as soon as truth manifests, you achieve bliss. This Bliss is the very God-head itself. So, confidence is a necessary characteristic. It is this loss of confidence that is the cause of lack of spirituality in the world.

My goal, is happiness. My happiness is more in my control. Bliss, I did bliss. Bliss is ok but it is temporary and tends to separate one from reality. I find reality too interesting to be separated from it for too long.
 

Nakosis

Non-Binary Physicalist
Premium Member
It is also hearsay, when quoting someone other than self.

Kabir, who has inspired all types of persons(not just theists) says that he never quotes scriptures, and only speaks that which he experiences himself.

I wish we all could do the same.
Throwing scriptures(or he said/ she said) at one another will never arrive at bliss. It only stimulates the I'm right/your wrong scenario.

I sometimes quote scripture because others see it as authority. My own words, not so much.
 

crossfire

LHP Mercuræn Feminist Heretic ☿
Premium Member
First you start using "junkie"
Then you claim you rather don't label
Then you reintroduce labels

I am fine with whatever you chose

In short:
I don't have a problem with descriptive labels. It's hierarchies that I see as giving rise to evil, not labels.

Seen from advaita all are junkies (addicted) to worldly desires.

Addicted to Bliss is the best of all addictions according to my Master
I'm not advaita, so I see things a bit differently.

This makes sense to me.

I am fine you label it "Spiritual junkie"
I agree that we use different labels
I'm using the term "spiritual junkies" to specifically refer to those who get addicted to the bliss of the third rupa jhana and consequentially get stuck there and do not progress onto the fourth rupa jhana. It's a dangerous time for them, and they are worthy of compassion.
 

atanu

Member
Premium Member
My goal, is happiness. My happiness is more in my control. Bliss, I did bliss. Bliss is ok but it is temporary and tends to separate one from reality. I find reality too interesting to be separated from it for too long.

Actually the word in Sanskrit is 'ananda', which has no opposite. Since, bliss also has no opposite, people conventionally use this word.

The plain example is our deep sleep, which is bliss but a state of ignorance. The non-dual sachinanda (sat-chit-ananda), on the other hand, is waking deep sleep -- but there is no experiencer to experience sat-chit-ananda (truth-consciousness-bliss).
 

crossfire

LHP Mercuræn Feminist Heretic ☿
Premium Member
Rupa jhana is domain of form, where/when bliss is experienced. That is not the same as arupa ananda of Vedanta, where there is no experience.
Being addicted to bliss is still being addicted to bliss. It is of the subjective like/dislike duality. My view of non-dual is overcoming this specific subjective illusion-inducing like/dislike bias.

Your mileage may vary.
 

Nakosis

Non-Binary Physicalist
Premium Member
Actually the word in Sanskrit is 'ananda', which has no opposite. Since, bliss also has no opposite, people conventionally use this word.

The plain example is our deep sleep, which is bliss but a state of ignorance. The non-dual sachinanda (sat-chit-ananda), on the other hand, is waking deep sleep -- but there is no experiencer to experience sat-chit-ananda (truth-consciousness-bliss).

Yes, learned all about that following a Guru for many years. I can't see being able to experience both satchitananda and this worldly experience(whatever it is) at the same time. This never seemed to be what was intended.
 

atanu

Member
Premium Member
Being addicted to bliss ...
Your mileage may vary.

Yes. The mileage is different. The bliss you talk of is of rupa domain. Sachinanda brooks no partition whatsoever. There is no experiencer addicted to bliss.
 
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Nakosis

Non-Binary Physicalist
Premium Member
Being addicted to bliss is still being addicted to bliss. It is of the subjective like/dislike duality. My view of non-dual is overcoming this specific subjective illusion-inducing like/dislike bias.

Your mileage may vary.

I was never the addiction type. Addiction is boring. Bliss was ok, whatever I experienced but boring. Life, with all of its drama is interesting.

Nothingness, maybe what you are describing, is scary as hell. Not interested in experiencing that again.
 

atanu

Member
Premium Member
Yes, learned all about that following a Guru for many years. I can't see being able to experience both satchitananda and this worldly experience(whatever it is) at the same time. This never seemed to be what was intended.

I agree.

It is said that when one sees only the world there is no satichanada. But there is a situation where a sage may appear to be acting as an individual from the point of view of onlookers like us. But the sage subjectively is sachidananda - non dual, existence-consciousness-bliss. This state is called sahaja samadhi.

Well.I must say that this is only what I have read. :)
 
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crossfire

LHP Mercuræn Feminist Heretic ☿
Premium Member
I was never the addiction type. Addiction is boring. Bliss was ok, whatever I experienced but boring. Life, with all of its drama is interesting.

Nothingness, maybe what you are describing, is scary as hell. Not interested in experiencing that again.
I'm not describing nothingness. Equanimity is stability of mind, without any junkie-like behaviours, sitting easily with knowledge and experiences.
 

crossfire

LHP Mercuræn Feminist Heretic ☿
Premium Member
Yes. The mileage is different. The bliss you talk of is of rupa domain. Sachinanda brooks no partition whatsoever. There is no experiencer addicted to bliss.
Just be on the alert for addictive attitudes and behaviours connected to it.
 

Heyo

Veteran Member
Not all quotes contain truth in them
Maybe an ignoramus made this claim
It has been said in different forms by different people but ultimately it can be traced back to the Beatitudes. "Blessed are the poor in spirit"
 

stvdv

Veteran Member: I Share (not Debate) my POV
It is also hearsay, when quoting someone other than self.
Thank you for the reminder

Kabir, who has inspired all types of persons(not just theists) says that he never quotes scriptures, and only speaks that which he experiences himself.
Thank you for ignoring Kabir's advice this time, using "hear say", otherwise I would not have known.

I wish we all could do the same.
Throwing scriptures(or he said/ she said) at one another will never arrive at bliss. It only stimulates the I'm right/your wrong scenario
Some confuse temporary "euphory of winning or trampling" with Bliss maybe. Otherwise I can't understand why they do it.

Sometimes quotes are very inspiring. Hence I started this OP and you used Kabir's "inspiring advice".

Maybe if we stop doing this totally, we will be inspired and become like Kabir. Sounds like a plan. I will stop quoting on RF from now on. Thank you (Kabir).
 
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