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Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by stvdv, Sep 6, 2019.

  1. stvdv

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    Interesting thoughts on Bliss, Truth, Love
    "God" seems to be differently defined from usual.

    My mother uses white lies, so I have no faith in her, no confidence and can't love (as in trust) her. Same with a murderer. No trust, faith, confidence. Yes I have the confidence he might kill me (even wise to not trust and wise to "love at big distance" in such cases IMO)

    So to experience "God" (defined as Bliss here) it seems wise to stay away from those "killing" your confidence. This does make sense to me and is also my experience.

    If I get to this "Bliss" state seems a good goal. More practical then "trying to find God" esp. since the definition of God is kind of diverse. "Bliss" is easier to imagine. Take orgasm and multiply it by 100. When I try to imagine "God" (Christian) I always go blank (no thought).

    What are others' goals in life, being on RF. What precious "thing" you try to find or achieve in life? This "Bliss" is my goal for now.

    Each and every one of you must have faith in God and self-confidence. If there is no faith you can achieve nothing. Where there is confidence there is Love. Where there is Love, there is Peace. Where there is Peace, there is Truth. Where there is Truth, there is Bliss. Where there is Bliss, there is God. In fact, without faith you can have no faith even in your mother. There should be confidence. Once you have confidence that a person is your mother, you love her. Confidence leads to love. Love takes you to peace. Peace produces truth and as soon as truth manifests, you achieve bliss. This Bliss is the very God-head itself. So, confidence is a necessary characteristic. It is this loss of confidence that is the cause of lack of spirituality in the world.
     
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  2. Vinayaka

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    Source of quote?
     
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    I did not use "quotes", because Sai Baba said, there is no need to mention His name when sharing His Words.

    But if someone asks, I will be happy to mention His Name:
    Sai Baba: Divine Discourse, Sep 29, 2000.
     
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    I would say that was self serving nonsense. It is spiritual bigotry that is the cause of lack of spirituality in this world. People demanding one must believe as they believe to achieve s given state.

    I certainly have no belief in god or gods and have no truck with faith peddlers yet i achieve bliss several times a week. No god required
     
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  5. Vinayaka

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    I just think it's protocol.
     
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    Some people claim to have experienced God
    Some people claim to have experienced Bliss

    You deny Bliss claims of others
    You expect others to accept your bliss claim?

    Just saying
     
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    circular reasoning ?
     
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    I read it's protocol on RF that when "quoted" you must mention the source.

    But I think it's good to give source as to be able to check (esp. when handwritten, but nowadays people using copy/paste there is no real need). But I do like to be able to check the context; so I prefer source given.

    I was just curious how this would "fly". Sai Baba telling "no need to mention my name" and me ending up mentioning His Name anyway.

    I think what Sai Baba meant was "do not go around proselytizing"
     
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    Might be.

    Words are used to describe the indescribable
     
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  10. Vinayaka

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    If you did nothing other than offer up quotes from Sai Baba, yes it would be proselytising, in my view. Occasionally, not so much. With a lot of commentary, and just to illustrate a very specific point, sure.
     
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    The third rupa jhana is indescribable bliss. However, if you don't progress on to the fourth rupa jhana of equinimity and individuation, you can become addicted to the bliss of the third rupa jhana and get stuck as a spiritual junkie.
     
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    No i do not deny the claims others i deny that you need gods or proselytizing or threats to achieve bliss.

    And you can say what you want to misrepresent others, all it means is you misrepresent.
     
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    There's also a short cut:

    Ignorance is bliss.
     
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    Thank you for the reminder. Maybe the world would be friendlier if all were spiritual junkies

    How many (% world population) will be stuck in this "indescribable bliss" you think?

    If they are a spiritual junkie how would you call those below this state?

    Anyway it's interesting to continue growing, so yes better don't get stuck.

    Why would one get stuck? Maybe never experienced anything better than what one experiences now (or too difficult to get to the next level or just too lazy).
     
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    Yep. It's like staying stuck in the third rupa jhanainstead of progressing on to the fourth.
     
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    Probably not.

    I don't know

    People.

    Agreed.

    Addiction.
     
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    Seems "people" below "sp.junkie state" also got stuck. In your analogy I would not call them "people" but also "some kind of junkie"
     
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    I'm one who believes that hierarchies give rise to evil, so I'm pretty loathe to apply spiritual hierarchies to people. I'm more into equanimity.
     
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    #MeToo. Hence I rather call us all "people" or all "junkies"
     
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    There is a discernable difference between addicts and non-addicts, no? Both addicts and non-addicts are people. However, to ignore the problem of addiction and junkie behaviour by making the label meaningless and devoid of individual discernment is to empower the addictive behaviour and the evil that arises from it.
     
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