Kelly of the Phoenix
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No, but I just thought that someone might have tried anyway.Oh come off it. Do you really think the Christians would allow such a thing.
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No, but I just thought that someone might have tried anyway.Oh come off it. Do you really think the Christians would allow such a thing.
Yeah they wouldn't been able to harmonize the prophecies in the text so they had to invent some prophecies and so fulfill it leading people to believe it's originally from Jewish scriptures.No, but I just thought that someone might have tried anyway.
We know the WHAT. Why must the Tanakh talk about the How?
So you would have no qualms with me starting with the Old Testament, claiming that a bunch of prophecy has come true and fitting this and that occurrence into the "holes" that needed filled in said prophecy, then writing my own amending/accompanying text and producing a new canon/bible. My version would also start with "Jewish texts", would be entirely different than yours, and then, if my version ever had hundreds of millions of followers, I could point to them as the proof that it is correct. Wouldn't that be just peachy? Driving the world ever further into Abrahamic obscurity, and all as if the believers themselves weren't already doing enough of the same.I'll try again. The first Christians were Jews, using their own Jewish texts.
You do you.So you would have no qualms
No, it doesn't. One thing it also doesn't mean is that any of it is "correct"/"true"/"real." And my guess is that you can admit the former, but not the latter.Doesn't change that the first Christians were religious Jews following their faith, or that the "Old Testament" is not a foreign set of texts to Christianity.
What are you on about? Of course that isn't what makes it true.One thing it also doesn't mean is that any of it is "correct"/"true"/"real." And my guess is that you can admit the former, but not the latter.
The how could allude to a time frame for what will happen.
So although Jesus hasn't brought about what you guys expect, you don't know for certain that He won't. For example He may have laid the foundation for what you believe will happen when the Messiah comes. Christianity as well as being the largest religion worldwide is also the most widespread.
Whether or not you are prepared to have a serious conversation about the how and what is another question. If you are, we will need an English translation of the Tanakh agreeable to us both. If not, no problem. I'm not a Christian, and I'm not keen on discussions that result in more heat than light.
Isaiah 48:5 therefore I have declared it to you from of old; before it came to pass I showed it to you; lest you should say, 'My idol has done them, and my engraved image, and my molten image, has commanded them.'Alternatively, the jesus figure may have delayed the Messianic Age by causing so many people to embrace idolatry.
I was under the impression we date per his assumed birth year, not the year he died.
How willing depends on the author, though.
Wasn't that the point of having animals with no "blemishes"? They were perfectly healthy and given "for us".
But 100% of Christians die and the few who come back were either misdiagnosed as dead or got really good CPR.
Yes. It seems like God required nothing really, but the priests sure didn't mind the near constant direct deposits.
I'm not sure it's wise to divide the commandments into lesser and greater, although this is just my opinion.........................
He DID decide to walk away all the times his life was threatened except that last time when he couldn't run anymore. Sorry, but "PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE GOD GET ME OUT OF THIS" doesn't tell me Jesus was just skipping over to the Romans going "KILL ME PLEASE".Jesus could have walked away at any time from his death but choose to stay for us.
For what? Jesus tells a parable of Lazarus, who went to heaven. This story predates Jesus' death. We don't need anyone aside from God for forgiveness, because God seemed to have that covered all throughout the OT and Jesus could forgive prior to dying as well. Romans executing what they considered a religious terrorist has no bearing on our salvation. We and God determine the state of our souls.An animal can Not be an equal to Adam before his downfall, but the animal showed that we needed a savior.
Do you understand my point, though?Not only 100% of Christians die but so do all non-Christians as per Romans 5:12.
That was only said when it became obvious that joining the club didn't make you immortal.The resurrection is placed to take place in the the future
He DID decide to walk away all the times his life was threatened except that last time when he couldn't run anymore. Sorry, but "PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE GOD GET ME OUT OF THIS" doesn't tell me Jesus was just skipping over to the Romans going "KILL ME PLEASE".
For what? Jesus tells a parable of Lazarus, who went to heaven. This story predates Jesus' death. We don't need anyone aside from God for forgiveness, because God seemed to have that covered all throughout the OT and Jesus could forgive prior to dying as well. Romans executing what they considered a religious terrorist has no bearing on our salvation. We and God determine the state of our souls.
Do you understand my point, though?
That was only said when it became obvious that joining the club didn't make you immortal.
Oh come off it. Do you really think the Christians would allow such a thing.
You know, not only do I want a bible that consists of the Hebrew texts plus the NT, but add the Quran in there too. Sure, the book'll be huge, unless it's an ebook, and then it won't matter.
I don’t recall Jesus ever quoting anything from the Hebrew Scriptures.Baby steps, I wasn't saying the the entire old testament is about Jesus yet. Jesus quoted the Jewish scripture therefore it is false to say that the Old testament and Jesus are totally unrelated.
I don’t recall Jesus ever quoting anything from the Hebrew Scriptures.
I have on recall few of the NT authors, quoting certain verses from the OT, but not Jesus.
Can you give a few examples that Jesus did?
In my opinion:I don’t recall Jesus ever quoting anything from the Hebrew Scriptures.