1. Welcome to Religious Forums, a friendly forum to discuss all religions in a friendly surrounding.

    Your voice is missing! You will need to register to get access to the following site features:
    • Reply to discussions and create your own threads.
    • Our modern chat room. No add-ons or extensions required, just login and start chatting!
    • Access to private conversations with other members.

    We hope to see you as a part of our community soon!

Featured Which Day of the Week Is The Sabbath?

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by sooda, Mar 29, 2019.

  1. sooda

    sooda Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 18, 2019
    Messages:
    6,768
    Ratings:
    +2,078
    Religion:
    Christian
    Despite doctrinal differences on various other topics, most Christians agree that a day of rest is an integral part of the Christian life. But on which day are we to rest?

    "By the seventh day God had finished the work he had been doing; so on the seventh day he rested from all his work.

    And God blessed the seventh day and made it holy, because on it he rested from all the work of creating that he had done" (Genesis 2:2, 3).

    The very word "sabbath" means rest, and to rest implies that you have labored. It's logical, then, for God to have designated the last day of the week a day of rest. "The seventh day is a Sabbath to the Lord your God" (Exodus 20:10).

    Language reflects the customs of the culture that speaks it. Nearly every culture, from Babylon through modern times, rested on the seventh day. As languages developed, the name for the seventh day of the week remained "rest day." In the mid 19th century, Dr. William Meade Jones created this "Chart of the Week," listing the name for the seventh day in 160 languages, including some of the most ancient (shown below). Babylonian, in use hundreds of years before Abraham or the giving of the Ten Commandments at Sinai, calls the seventh day of the week sa-ba-tu, meaning "rest day."

    Even today more than 100 languages worldwide, many of them unrelated to ancient Hebrew, use the word "Sabbath" for Saturday—and none of them designate any other day as a day of rest. Though the world's language groups have evolved so as to be unintelligible from each other, the word for the seventh day of the week has remained fairly recognizable.

    The Sabbath predates Judaism

    For the thousands of years since Judaism began, an entire nation of Jews has kept track of the weekly cycle and observed the seventh day Sabbath, sometimes even without a calendar. Nevertheless, many rationalize that it's impossible to verify which day of the week is actually the biblical Sabbath because Pope Gregory XIII changed the calendar. The Julian calendar, instituted by Julius Caesar around 46 B.C., calculated the length of the year as 365 ¼ days. In reality, the year is 11 minutes less than 365 ¼ days. So by the 1580s, the calendar and the solar cycle were ten days off. In 1582, Gregory changed the calendar so that Friday, October 5, became Friday, October 15, creating the Gregorian calendar we use today. But it did not confuse the days of the week; Friday still follows Thursday, Saturday still follows Friday, and so on and so forth.

    Exodus 16 recounts a series of weekly Sabbath miracles over a period of forty years. God reiterated the Sabbath at Sinai (Exodus 20:8-11), and the Jews were still observing the seventh day when Jesus was born.

    Jesus kept the Sabbath (Luke 4:16; 23:54, 56; 24:1) until his death, which Luke indicates occurred on the day before the Sabbath: "Going to Pilate, [Joseph of Arimathea] asked for Jesus' body. Then he took it down, wrapped it in linen cloth and placed it in a tomb cut in the rock, one in which no one had yet been laid.

    It was Preparation Day, and the Sabbath was about to begin" (Luke 23:52-54). Luke goes on to describe the actions of the women who followed Jesus. "The women who had come with Jesus from Galilee followed Joseph and saw the tomb and how his body was laid in it.

    "Then they went home and prepared spices and perfumes. But they rested on the Sabbath in obedience to the commandment. On the first day of the week, very early in the morning, the women took the spices they had prepared and went to the tomb" (Luke 23:55, 56; 24:1).

    The women discovered that Jesus had risen on Sunday morning; Christians acknowledge this fact by celebrating Easter. The day on which the women rested between the preparation day (Friday) when Jesus died, and the first day of the week (Easter Sunday) when Jesus rose again, had to be Saturday.

    Scripture clearly portrays God designating the seventh day of the week as the Sabbath, and throughout the centuries of history recounted in the Bible, His followers celebrated it as such. Unless it was changed, the seventh day is still the Sabbath. So why do so many people today honor Sunday, the first day of the week, instead of the seventh day? (Why do so many people worship on Sunday?)

    SEE CHART AT LINK

    The table above includes some of the oldest languages known to man. One of these, the Babylonian language, was in use hundreds of years before the Hebrew race was founded by Abraham. That language designated the seventh day of the week as "sa-ba-tu", meaning rest day -- another indisputable proof that the Bible "Sabbath" was not, and is not, exclusively Jewish.

    Very few realize that the word "Sabbath" and the concept of resting from work on the seventh day of the week (Saturday) is common to most of the ancient and modern languages of the world.

    This is evidence totally independent of the Scriptures that confirms the biblical teaching that God's seventh-day Sabbath predates Judaism. The concept of a Saturday holy day of rest was understood, accepted, and practiced by virtually every culture from Babylon through modern times.

    In the study of the many languages of mankind, you will find two important facts:

    1. In the majority of the principal languages the last, or seventh, day of the week is designated as "Sabbath."
    2. There is not even one language that designates another day as the "day of rest."
    From these facts we may conclude that not only those people who called the last day of the week "Sabbath," but all other peoples and races, as far as they recognized any day of the week as "Sabbath," rested on the seventh day. In fact, it was recorded by the great historian Sozomen that in his time the whole known world, with the exception of Rome and Alexandria, observed the seventh day of the week.

    "The people of Constantinople, and almost everywhere, assemble together on the Sabbath, as well as on the first day of the week, which custom is never observed at Rome or at Alexandria" (Socrates, "Ecclesiastical History," Book 7, chap.19).

    Another interesting fact is that the words in the original languages that are used to designate the seventh day of the week as the "Sabbath" have continued to be very similar while the other words have been so changed over time that they are unintelligible to people of other language groups.

    This is another proof that the Sabbath and the words used to designate the seventh day of the week as the "Sabbath day" originated at Creation in complete harmony with the biblical record found in Genesis 2:1–3.

    LANGUAGE LIST

    Which Day of the Week Is The Sabbath? | Sabbath Truth
     
    • Informative Informative x 1
  2. It Aint Necessarily So

    It Aint Necessarily So Well-Known Member
    Premium Member

    Joined:
    Mar 1, 2017
    Messages:
    5,151
    Ratings:
    +5,207
    Religion:
    None
    It sounds like there is no definite answer to your question better than the seventh day, which can be any day of the week. The Jews begin theirs at sundown on Fridays. Some Christian denominations choose Saturday, most Sunday..

    Did you ever wonder why the biblical authors added that strange passage about an omniscient, omnipotent god taking the seventh day off to rest? Here's a speculation. Go back a few millennia, before the advent of the week and the weekend, when people worked every day, and it was likely socially unacceptable for able bodied people not to work every day. Perhaps it was taught that the gods expected it.

    Now, fast forward to the advent of monotheism, organized religion, temples, and a priesthood. It's become necessary for every head of the household and probably everybody else as well to periodically come to the temple with shekels to sustain this activity, which meant taking time away from work. How do we manufacture support for that idea that it is OK to take a day off if work is considered sacred and holy? Easy. Make taking a day off once a week even holier. In fact, make it a Commandment. Even the Lord rested on the seventh day, and you will, too.
     
    • Like Like x 1
  3. sooda

    sooda Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 18, 2019
    Messages:
    6,768
    Ratings:
    +2,078
    Religion:
    Christian
    Exactly.. If you are Jewish the Sabbath begins sundown Friday thru sundown Saturday .. and then the new week begins.

    But, Monday morning still follows Sunday night! :)
     
  4. WalterTrull

    WalterTrull Godfella

    Joined:
    Aug 5, 2017
    Messages:
    2,295
    Ratings:
    +889
    That's the one! :)
     
  5. Thief

    Thief Rogue Theologian

    Joined:
    Apr 12, 2009
    Messages:
    39,715
    Ratings:
    +3,064
    and a tv Evangelical....Garner Ted Armstrong
    did a 30minute speech on this in relation to the Christian belief
    Good Friday is a false belief
    and Jesus died on Wednesday
    and rose on Saturday morning
     
  6. MJFlores

    MJFlores Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 17, 2017
    Messages:
    1,800
    Ratings:
    +232
    Religion:
    Iglesia Ni Cristo (Church of Christ)
    Believe me it is Saturday.

    Take it from the 7th day Adventists and the Jews.

    Next look at the calendar if you have one.
    The days are arranged as S M T W T F S
    The first day is Sunday, the last day of the week is Saturday

    The etymology of Saturday is derived from Saturn - day
    But in Portuguese and Spanish, Saturday is Sabado which came from Sabbath.

    Sabbath is no longer practiced by the first century Church because of the new covenant of Christ.
    Sabbath was practiced by the Israelites of the Old Covenant
     
    • Like Like x 1
  7. shmogie

    shmogie Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 8, 2014
    Messages:
    5,143
    Ratings:
    +904
    Religion:
    Christian
    Saturday is the sabbath. It is not mentioned in the Bible as applying to any person till just before the law was given at Sinai. It is extremely clear that it was given to the Jews, only as a sign between they and God, forever.

    It was never meant for Christians and they have no obligation to keep it, but may if they choose.

    A Christian may keep all seven days as particularly holy, one, any one, or none. Paul makes this abundantly clear.

    Gods sabbath as mentioned in Genesis is totally different in practice than the one given to the Jews.

    God doesn´t need rest, and His sabbath has lasted for thousands of years. In His case, the term was used to spotlight the end of creation.

    There are a few Christian denominations that keep the sabbath.

    I am most familiar with the largest of these, the Seventh Day Adventists. I am familiar with them because I spent many years in that denomination, was ordained in that denomination, and was a Bible teacher in that denomination.

    I left because of some significant errors in their doctrine, Christian keeping of the sabbath is one.
     
    • Like Like x 2
  8. shmogie

    shmogie Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 8, 2014
    Messages:
    5,143
    Ratings:
    +904
    Religion:
    Christian
    You apparently are an SDA. First, you arrogance is showing, I pity you.

    Second, gentile Christians were keeping sunday long before Constantine, in fact they were keeping sunday in the first century. There s documented proof of this.

    Every commandment of the big ten is reiterated multiple times in the NT, except one.

    Guess what, it is the sabbath commandment. It cannot be found. Not once.

    John says in Revelation that he had a vision on the Lords Day. SDA´s say he meant the sabbath, which is nonsense.

    The Lords Day meant Sunday at the time, has always meant Sunday, and John meant Sunday. If it had been the sabbath he would have said so.

    Since you sound as though you think you have great knowledge on this and other doctrine, lets debate it all.

    As an ex SDA who found the Gospel and itś truth, I know their doctrine inside and out, and can explode much of it.

    You comprehend Holy Scripture, and can actually point out, those who can´t.

    So, if you are an SDA or JW comprehender, try me.
     
    • Like Like x 1
  9. metis

    metis aged ecumenical anthropologist

    Joined:
    Aug 27, 2013
    Messages:
    27,816
    Ratings:
    +11,542
    Religion:
    Catholic-- liberal & ecumenical
    "Shabbat" is Hebrew, and it relates to what's found in Torah, so it begins at sundown Friday evening and continues to sundown Saturday evening-- thus no controversy.
     
    • Like Like x 1
  10. sooda

    sooda Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 18, 2019
    Messages:
    6,768
    Ratings:
    +2,078
    Religion:
    Christian
    So what? Some people think the last supper was a Passover seder. I do not.
     
  11. shmogie

    shmogie Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 8, 2014
    Messages:
    5,143
    Ratings:
    +904
    Religion:
    Christian
    No, it isn´t strange at all. The sabbath is not only a day of rest, but represents an end, the end of the week. In the case of Genesis, it represents the end of creation.

    No mystery, no nefarious plot .
     
    • Like Like x 1
  12. sooda

    sooda Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 18, 2019
    Messages:
    6,768
    Ratings:
    +2,078
    Religion:
    Christian
    What are you talking about SDA?

    from the link

    One of these, the Babylonian language, was in use hundreds of years before the Hebrew race was founded by Abraham. That language designated the seventh day of the week as "sa-ba-tu", meaning rest day -- another indisputable proof that the Bible "Sabbath" was not, and is not, exclusively Jewish.
     
  13. sooda

    sooda Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 18, 2019
    Messages:
    6,768
    Ratings:
    +2,078
    Religion:
    Christian
    Can't you read?
     
  14. Muffled

    Muffled Jesus in me

    Joined:
    Nov 6, 2006
    Messages:
    14,796
    Ratings:
    +861
    Religion:
    Christian
    I believe it is the one I rest on.
     
  15. MJFlores

    MJFlores Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 17, 2017
    Messages:
    1,800
    Ratings:
    +232
    Religion:
    Iglesia Ni Cristo (Church of Christ)
    On these points you really have to read, review and reconsider.
    Jesus is the Lord of the Sabbath

    pickingrains.jpg

    And as Lord of the Sabbath, his disciples picked out grains during the Sabbath day.
    The Lord healed on the Sabbath and ordered the healed cripple to pick up his mat
    Jesus has the God given power over the Sabbath.
    No more rules about the Sabbath, as Paul writes to the early Christians.

    I believe the Lord Jesus died on a Friday 3:00 pm
    and the Lord Jesus was raised by God on the 3rd day
    According to Jesus, the miracle that he will perform for the Pharisees was that
    of Jonah at the belly of the whale [being inside the whale for 3 days]

    1st day Friday 3:00 pm to Saturday 3:00 pm
    2nd day Saturday 3:00 pm to Sunday 3:00 pm
    3rd day Sunday 3:00 pm to Monday 3:00 pm

    His resurrection therefore was Monday after 3:00 pm
    The Romans guarding the tomb - died
    tomb guard.jpg
    The women who saw the tomb empty, saw it morning of Tuesday
     
  16. sooda

    sooda Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 18, 2019
    Messages:
    6,768
    Ratings:
    +2,078
    Religion:
    Christian
    Tradition has it that Jesus rose on Sunday morning. Tradition has it that Saturday is the Sabbath for Jews and some Christian denominations.

    Where in scripture does it say Monday morning or Tuesday?
     
  17. Nakosis

    Nakosis crystal soldier
    Premium Member

    Joined:
    Nov 16, 2011
    Messages:
    11,756
    Ratings:
    +4,307
    Religion:
    Atheist Libertarian
    Around the 6th century BC, the Babylonians were a dominant culture in the Near East, and their ideas spread far and wide, including the concept of the seven-day week. The Jews happened to be captives in Babylonia around that time, and adopted the week concept. So did the nearby Persians and the (not yet dominant) Greeks. The Jews already agreed with the Babylonians that “7” is a very cool number indeed; creation in the Jewish tradition (and Jewish-derived traditions, like Christianity) took place in seven days. (Though it’s worth noting two things: first, nobody’s totally sure that the Jewish creation myth actually predates the Babylonian captivity, and second, that “days” in that case probably translates better to something like “periods” or “intervals.”) Anyway, the Jews got on board...

    Around the time the Bible was being developed.

    ...There’s nothing in particular about a 7-day week that makes it a requirement for anybody to observe; it seems that the idea took off simply because there was a need for a unit of time somewhere between five and 10 days long, and seven was a cool number. What’s surprising is that humans haven’t come up with anything better, except maybe, New Age app gurus.
    Why Can’t We Get Rid of the 7-Day Week?


    5 day week, 10 day week. A 7 day week is arbitrary but convenient for a majority of the world to have a common calendar.
     
    • Winner Winner x 1
    • Informative Informative x 1
  18. sooda

    sooda Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 18, 2019
    Messages:
    6,768
    Ratings:
    +2,078
    Religion:
    Christian
    Do you have a link to the source?
     
  19. Revoltingest

    Revoltingest Libertarian Capitalist Atheist Bokononist
    Premium Member

    Joined:
    Mar 25, 2010
    Messages:
    143,748
    Ratings:
    +39,302
    Religion:
    Bokononism
    • Like Like x 1
  20. shmogie

    shmogie Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 8, 2014
    Messages:
    5,143
    Ratings:
    +904
    Religion:
    Christian
    Seventh Day Adventist.

    How many Babylonians are keeping it now ?

    Citation for your assertion re the Babylonian word, and meaning ?

    Since the Jews were in Egyptian captivity for centuries, and the Egyptians were not sabbath keepers, it is irrelevant as to what the Babylonians were or were not doing.

    The sabbath was given to them by God, period.
     
    • Like Like x 1
Loading...