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Featured Which Day of the Week Is The Sabbath?

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by sooda, Mar 29, 2019.

  1. MJFlores

    MJFlores Well-Known Member

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    The bible is the source.
    If the source is from a man, that's nothing

    What did Jesus taught about the Sabbath?

    Matthew 12:1-12 New International Version (NIV)
    At that time Jesus went through the grainfields on the Sabbath. His disciples were hungry and began to pick some heads of grain and eat them. When the Pharisees saw this, they said to him, “Look! Your disciples are doing what is unlawful on the Sabbath.”

    He answered, “Haven’t you read what David did when he and his companions were hungry? He entered the house of God, and he and his companions ate the consecrated bread—which was not lawful for them to do, but only for the priests. Or haven’t you read in the Law that the priests on Sabbath duty in the temple desecrate the Sabbath and yet are innocent? I tell you that something greater than the temple is here. If you had known what these words mean, ‘I desire mercy, not sacrifice,’ you would not have condemned the innocent. For the Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath.”

    Going on from that place, he went into their synagogue, and a man with a shriveled hand was there. Looking for a reason to bring charges against Jesus, they asked him, “Is it lawful to heal on the Sabbath?”

    He said to them, “If any of you has a sheep and it falls into a pit on the Sabbath, will you not take hold of it and lift it out? How much more valuable is a person than a sheep! Therefore it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath.”
     
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    Yes, but they don´t smear blood about.
     
  3. sooda

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    So what. They commemorate the Passover and their deliverance out of Egypt.
     
  4. MJFlores

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    1st day Friday 3:00 pm to Saturday 3:00 pm - TAKEN DOWN AND INTERNED TO THE TOMB

    2nd day Saturday 3:00 pm to Sunday 3:00 pm - LEFT AT THE TOMB

    3rd day Sunday 3:00 pm to Monday 3:00 pm - STILL THERE AT THE TOMB - THREE FULL DAYS


    Mark 9:31 New International Version (NIV)
    because he was teaching his disciples. He said to them, “The Son of Man is going to be delivered into the hands of men. They will kill him, and after three days he will rise.”


    Sometime after 3:00 pm MONDAY - Jesus rose from the dead.
    You just can't believe your eyes but it is true.
    Tradition? How about common sense.
    Roman time? No such thing.
    The only way you can reconcile the time of resurrection is to move the crucifixion to THURSDAY and move the Sabbath to FRIDAY which will really be funny for your tradition and Roman time. <<<< wow, what is Roman time BTW?
     
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    The Babylonians, Assyrians and Persians all had the Sabbath long before there were any Hebrews.. and the Egyptians had a day of rest every ten days. Maybe this is like circumcision.. everybody was doing it.
     
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    Saturday was the Sabbath.. They would NOT have left anyone on a cross after sundown on Friday.
     
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    Well seeing that Christ Jesus risen in the early morning of the first day of the week, Which we call to day ( Sunday)

    Then Saturday would naturally be the 7th day, which would be the Sabbath day.

    Alot of Christians are taught that Sunday is the day of rest.

    But little do they know, That Christ Jesus is the Christian rest.
    For we rest in Christ Jesus and not on any day of the week.

    The 7th day Sabbath was to lead Israel to Christ Jesus.
    Then after Christ Jesus has come now we rest in Christ Jesus.

    This why Christ Jesus said in the book of Matthew 28:30---"Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest"

    Note that Christ Jesus said he will give you rest.
    So not once did Christ Jesus say, he will give you Sabbath rest.no
    Come to him and he will give you rest
     
  8. MJFlores

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    So how about your famous Roman Time?
    You went to Iraq and Egypt but Rome is in Italy.
    So what is Roman Time?


    And how do you explain?

    Matthew 27:45-46 New International Version (NIV)
    From noon until three in the afternoon darkness came over all the land.
    About three in the afternoon Jesus cried out in a loud voice, “Eli, Eli, lema sabachthani?” (which means “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?”).

    What day is that?
    Thursday or Friday?


    Then count three full days.
     
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    That's why Joesph took down the body of Christ Jesus before sundown Friday.

    So that the body of Jesus would not be on the cross on the 7th Sabbath.
     
  10. sooda

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    Roman time is midnight to midnight. Jewish time is sunset to sunset.. The Jews lost their independence again to the Romans in 63 BC.

    Judea was ruled by a Roman procurator who managed its political, military, and fiscal affairs. Its governmental structure was reorganized by Gabinius, the Roman governor of Syria from 57 to 55 B.C.E., who divided the country into five synhedroi, or administrative districts.


    In John 19:14 we are told that Jesus was before Pilate for trial at the sixth hour. But in Mark 15:25 we are told that it was the third hour when he was crucified.

    The explanation is simple: John described the events by using the Roman time while Mark, who wrote much earlier, described the same events by using Jewish time. Otherwise there is a contradiction and Jesus was crucified before he was tried. Actually he was before Pilate at about 6: 00 A.M. and crucified at about 9: 00 A.M. If one does not recognize this principle, there is no sensible explanation possible.
     
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    And the Bible says its 3:00 in the afternoon.
    So what day was that?
    Then count 3 full days
    Because my Lord Jesus can't tell a lie.
     
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    Jesus didn't write the gospels.

    C.I. Scofield said: "Were the teachings of the Seventh Day Adventists true, we would have a monstrosity--deity inheriting a fallen nature. If this could have been so, there could have been no sinless sacrifice, no hope for sinners, no Savior."
     
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    i liked the guy

    he wasn't big on preaching the everyday dogma

    as for the wednesday execution to the sabbath resurrection....
    I think he got it right
     
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    Based on the Hebrew bible, the seventh :)
    The word rested is not the actual word :)
    Again... "rested" is very misleading here :)
    No, it is not.
    The word for rest is "מנוחה", "Menucha".
    The word Sabath, "שבת", meaning "Cease" or "Stop". not rest.
    Also not really precise. You don't have to rest. If you enjoy labor, you can do it.
    You should not labor for money or labor for things that do not give you pleasure.
    You should also not create new things like building things or crafting things.
    The verse you just quoted doesn't mean what you stated.
    The verse means that this day should be Unique and dedicated to God, meaning that everything you do should be according to what God teaches us.
    It is really interesting.
    The word Sabbath, in Hebrew is very meaningful. it is not randomly selected as the Hebrew language doesn't contain any word that is random. Every word is connected to a "root" set of characters from which a whole set of words is devised.
    This means that each word in Hebrew that contains the root letters ש,ב,ת means "Ceasing" or "Stopping".
    The Sabbath predates Judaism

    For the thousands of years since Judaism began, an entire nation of Jews has kept track of the weekly cycle and observed the seventh day Sabbath, sometimes even without a calendar.
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    Obviously!
    The Word שבת predates any religion based on the bible.
    The Jewish religion started long after the 7th day was set as שבת based on the bible.
    The Jewish calendar is not based on the Gregorian.
    The first day of our calendar is first day of creation.
    Good question :)
    This happened 1950~ years after the first human based on the bible.
    Of course not! that is the point of it! it is stated to be WORLD WIDE!
    But the Jewish religion is the only religion that claims you MUST respect it.
     
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    SDAs are famous for loving to argue about the Sabbath and/or about what day Christ was resurrected.
     
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    As far as I know JW's go to their Kingdom Halls on Sunday.
     
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    The Jehovah’s Witnesses sect observes Saturdays as Sabbath. Their beliefs prohibit them to work during daytime on Sabbath day.Respecting the beliefs of the sect, the authorities have allowed the students to write the examination on Saturday nights. As per the schedule, two papers of the SSLC examinations fall on Saturdays.
    Reference: www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/190336/jws-observe-saturday-sabbath
     
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    Tradition? You take tradition over scripture? Jesus castigated the Pharisees for doing the same thing.

    There is actually no such thing as a Christian "denomination" from the Bible's perspective...there is only truth and falsehood....there is only "wheat" and "weeds" and we have to determine which is which. Only the Bible will direct us...not human tradition. Not all who call themselves "Christians" really are. Thankfully Jesus is the appointed judge, and God knows those who belong to him. (Matthew 7:21-23; 2 Timothy 2:19)

    The Jewish calendar certainly confirms that Passover was to be celebrated on Nissan 14 after sundown. This was the last "supper" that Christ had with his disciples. He was arrested that night...interrogated all night...brought before an illegally held Sanhedrin and condemned to death. He was nailed to his torture stake and died at approx 3 pm. The next day was a Sabbath so his body had to be interred before sundown.

    Why could Jesus say that the “Son of man will be in the heart of the earth three days and three nights”? (Matt. 12:40) This is because the expression “three days and three nights” can refer to parts of three days, as is clearly shown at 1 Samuel 30:12, 13. Under the heading “Day,” The Jewish Encyclopedia says: “In Jewish communal life part of a day is at times reckoned as one day; e.g., the day of the funeral, even when the latter takes place late in the afternoon, is counted as the first of the seven days of mourning; a short time in the morning of the seventh day is counted as the seventh day; circumcision takes place on the eighth day, even though of the first day only a few minutes remained after the birth of the child, these being counted as one day.” Accordingly, as Bible commentator Lightfoot observes, three days and three nights “included any part of the first day; the whole of the following night; the next day and its night; and any part of the succeeding or third day. Was this true in the case of Jesus?

    The answer to this question is clear once the year in which Jesus died is determined. Knowing the year, it is possible by computation in line with the principles of the Jewish calendar to ascertain the day of the week on which Nisan 14 fell, even back in the first century C.E. Happily the Bible provides enough evidence to fix the year. . . .

    ...his ministry as Messiah lasted three and a half years, extending from the fall of 29 C.E. to the spring month of Nisan in the year 33 C.E. As established by computation, in the year 33 C.E. Passover day or Nisan 14 began on Thursday evening and ran to Friday evening.

    "Jesus died on Friday afternoon and was buried before the sabbath began. This being the case, the weekly sabbath coincided with the first day of the Festival of Unfermented Cakes, which was also a sabbath. It is logical, then, that this is why the Bible calls the day following Jesus’ death a “great” sabbath. (John 19:31, 42; Mark 15:42, 43; Luke 23:54) As soon as that sabbath was over (which would be at sundown, Nisan 15) Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James and Salome bought additional spices for greasing Jesus’ body. Their earliest opportunity to use the spices came at daybreak Sunday morning, Nisan 16. By that time Jesus had already been resurrected, after having been in the tomb for parts of three days. And this Scriptural view of matters accords with the numerous Bible statements to the effect that Jesus was raised “on the third” day, not on the fourth day.—Matt. 16:21; 17:23; 20:19; Luke 9:22; 18:33; 24:7, 21, 46; Acts 10:40; 1 Cor. 15:4."


    Questions From Readers — Watchtower ONLINE LIBRARY

    There is no command for Christians to observe a Sabbath. It was part of Jewish Law, not incumbent upon Gentiles.
     
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  19. Deeje

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    LOL...sorry but we have no Sabbath at all. We serve our God every day of the week. Our meetings can be held any day or night. Why do people believe those who wouldn't have a clue? Simple to ask a JW....?
     
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    The last supper in the Upper Room wasn't a Passover Seder.
     
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