Oral Sex

[BilliardsBall]

The forgiving One.

Is it God's forgiveness or Noahide works that save? I see a double standard there, since I trust Jesus for salvation.

 

[BilliardsBall]

A different one that's not the one that let's self-righteous judgemental people in. Seriously though, it's the same God. The God of Love.

The God who IS love, not "The God OF love", says in His Word people must be transformed to enter Heaven. Logical, since imperfect people like you and I cannot enter Heaven in a sinful state.

 

[BilliardsBall]

We do not know who will be getting in. Only God knows that. However, according to Jesus, there are those who will not be getting in, and it has nothing to do with sexual orientation or sexual acts.

Matthew 25:35-46

35 For I was anhungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:

36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.

37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee anhungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?

38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?

39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?

40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:

43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.

44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee anhungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?

45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.

46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

But here, you DO have it according to acts/deeds/works, which is heresy. IMHO, the Bible teaches salvation is via trusting Jesus Christ, not self, for eternal life.

 

[Rival]

Is it God's forgiveness or Noahide works that save? I see a double standard there, since I trust Jesus for salvation.

It's both.

Good people sin. They need forgiveness.

Bad people do good works. They need reward.

Most people are imbetween.

Nothing is so black and white.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

The God who IS love, not "The God OF love", says in His Word people must be transformed to enter Heaven. Logical, since imperfect people like you and I cannot enter Heaven in a sinful state.

His post doesn't contradict yours. Jesus didn't like self-righteous judgemental types. Them and the rich are the groups He expressed the most displeasure with.

 

[ecco]

Here's what the Bible says about these things for you to process with a little more clarity:

That's the real beauty of Biblical Morality - Something for everyone.
Got a view on something? The Bible can provide support.
Got a view on anything? The Bible can provide support.

Want to own slaves - no problem
Want to have incest - lot's of good examples
Hate your mom and dad - good girl
Love everyone - sure

 

[metis]

Why is oral sex between two married people supposedly wrong? If one doesn't like it, then don't do it. Heck, even the monkeys do it as some embarrassed parents who took their kids to the zoo can verify.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Most people don't hate their jobs

I don't hate my job. I actually LOVE my job. But if it wouldn't bring in money, I wouldn't be doing it unless I was filthy rich - then I might do it as a hobby. But I'll tell you this, I wouldn't be worrying about deadlines at 3o' clock in the night anymore.

, and most people want to do their part in contributing to the well-being of society as a whole, including their own. But our culture is so rife with economic exploitation masquerading as commerce that we don't even see it.

Myeah... This is crossing over into a half philosophical assessment of capitalism. I was just talking about the sweeping statement concerning porn stars.

And the jobs people really do hate doing only exist because we accept that exploitation is so normal that we don't even see it for what it is.

...or because robots and self-driving machinery isn't sophisticated enough yet for massive deployment so that they do all the crappy jobs for us, like flipping burgers, sweeping the streets or collecting the garbage.


No disrespect to anyone who does those jobs though.... I was a garbage man myself back in the day. Ironically, I did it because it paid a boatload, what with all the additional premiums for hazardous exposure to this and that and something else...

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

That's not extreme.

It's pretty much imprisonment and not being allowed outside without an escort. That's pretty extreme. Not to mention a human rights violation.

That's from the basics and it isn't culture, it is Islam.

Uhu.

you know Muslims aren't allowed to masturbate?

yea, islam covers a lot of such silly things.

Would the conversations with their mothers, grandmothers, sisters and aunts count as improper, abnormal and unfriendly?

None of them are potential mates. None of them are unknown to them.

Most who describe themselves as Muslims or Christians are not so ignorant, conceited and stupid that they would consider themselves to be "true" muslims/christians.

Uhu. Some just call them "proper" muslims.

Also, the "no true scottsman" is one of the most frequently encountered fallacy in my experience on forums such as this. And the more radical the believer, the more chance that that bomb will drop.

 

[Fool]

Here is a paradox that should trouble the parent of any teenagers. Back in 2000 there was a study done that showed that whilst the number of teens that say they are sexually abstinent is on the rise, so is the number that have had oral sex. Many teens don’t believe oral sex counts as sex and this problem has been growing below the radar of many sex educators and clueless parents. I am going to refer to some studies done in 2000 as this is what I have access to. The study showed that since 1988, the number of boys aged between 15 – 19 who have received oral sex from a female had risen from 13% to 49.5% in the U.S. That means that even back in the year 2000, half of the country had already engaged in oral sex.

It is a mystery to me that adults have no problems giving good advice about the dangers of drugs and alcohol, but for some reason struggle to give advice to the rising generation about sex. In particular, advocates of so called comprehensive sexual education are giving mixed messages with deadly results. Whilst they theoretically advocate abstinence, they also push for widespread distribution of contraceptive devices under the assumption that kids will be sexually active and therefore need protection.

I have never engaged in and never will engage in oral sex. It is perverted sex. I know the right way and wrong way to have sex from the Law and the Word from passages such as Romans 1. And I shouldn’t have to say anything, but I feel here on RF we’re missing some core issues that need to be addressed in today’s society. If you have engaged in this or thinking about doing so you need to ask yourself why. I can’t answer that for you. Perhaps you are watching something you have no business watching, perhaps you’re involved in pornography or perhaps it’s people that you are listening to that are leading you on. Whatever the case, Yahshua’s message is the same: repent, for the Kingdom of heaven is at hand.

It’s disgusting. And for people who are seeking a holy way of life (Leviticus 19:2), this sort of sex shouldn’t even be named among those who call themselves believers. In the Kingdom of Yahweh that is coming, all such acts will be outlawed. Relationships will flourish and the husband and the wife will have true love for one another and respect each other.

I know many people have no problem with pride marches and demonstrations. Homosexuals will try to tell you that any form of sex is good sex. No it isn’t. Satan has his system and oral sex is part of his domain, not Yahweh’s domain. I still regard myself as a young person, but I have to say, the older that I get the more I see that Yahweh’s Laws are for our psychological wellbeing. They stop us from making major mistakes in life if we obey all of them. Not in the sense that following the Word doesn’t have problems - it does. Persecution is one of them. But we have the strength that comes from prayer and encouraging words from the Word to help us deal with those things. Troubling psychological fallout from giving oral sex can make girls feel exploited and they do it to be popular or make boys happy. Girls may become bitter against boys or choose not to date them and some may choose to date those of the same gender instead.

I can’t change the world but my hope and prayer is that Yahweh’s Kingdom would come soon so that people would learn what true love really means and enjoy the happiness and peace that comes from keeping the Law.

from one supposed israelite to another

matthew 21:31

 

[ecco]

36 ...I was in prison, and ye came unto me.

From what I have heard, there is a lot of "guys caming unto me's" going on in prisons.

 

[ecco]

If they were raised proper Muslims there should never be "at the heat of the moment" whereat to stop. Same goes for Christians. If they raise their children according to the Bible, there should be no heat of the moment to stop at.

So you see, your problem is in how you raise your children — not in "biology".

The next time you are approaching a steep descent on a roller coaster and your adrenalin kicks in and your heart begins beating faster - remember it how you were raised - not biology.

Oh, wait. Riding coasters is fun. So, it's probably something else that is forbidden to you.

 

[ecco]

One form is movies where the male and female actors are paid substantial sums of money. I don't see those people as being exploited for personal power and profit.

Neither do they, but they are. And everyone ELSE knows it. And I can tell you how we all know it: because they would not do what they're doing UNLESS SOMEONE PAYS THEM.

By your analogy, I was exploited for personal power and profit because I was paid for doing work (computer software) I enjoyed - even when my boss was me.

By your analogy, anyone who works because someone pays them is being exploited for personal power and profit.

By your analogy, people only work because someone pays them. Well, that one I agree with.

 

[ecco]

Remove the money, drugs, and whatever other forms of coercion pornographers use to gain the consent to exploit other people bodies sexually, for profit, and it's no longer porn, to me. It's just an aspect of personal sexual interaction.

Remove the money, drugs, and whatever other forms of coercion employers use to gain the consent to exploit other people's minds and bodies, for profit, and ...

 

[ecco]

Most who describe themselves as Muslims or Christians are not so ignorant, conceited and stupid that they would consider themselves to be "true" muslims/christians.

HAH! You've been here for a month and you really believe that?

 

[PureX]

I don't hate my job. I actually LOVE my job. But if it wouldn't bring in money, I wouldn't be doing it unless I was filthy rich - then I might do it as a hobby. But I'll tell you this, I wouldn't be worrying about deadlines at 3o' clock in the night anymore.

Myeah... This is crossing over into a half philosophical assessment of capitalism. I was just talking about the sweeping statement concerning porn stars.

...or because robots and self-driving machinery isn't sophisticated enough yet for massive deployment so that they do all the crappy jobs for us, like flipping burgers, sweeping the streets or collecting the garbage.

No disrespect to anyone who does those jobs though.... I was a garbage man myself back in the day. Ironically, I did it because it paid a boatload, what with all the additional premiums for hazardous exposure to this and that and something else...

Porn is just a less invasive version of prostitution. And everyone knows it's degrading and humiliating to be sexually objectified and used by others, for any reason. Sure, those who participate in it make their excuses: like they're not really being used or using others because they're getting paid, or paying, and they choose when and how and with whom, etc., but most people know it's just BS. Unfortunately, our youngsters don't because we don't talk to them about their sexuality openly and realistically. So all they know comes from online pornographers who make all manner of greed, selfishness, and exploitation look as though is just normal and acceptable modes of sexual expression.

 

[PureX]

Remove the money, drugs, and whatever other forms of coercion employers use to gain the consent to exploit other people's minds and bodies, for profit, and ...

... And societies would still be sharing in the tasks related to their own sustenance. And sharing in that sustenance. Humans don't mind doing their part in this regard. We all understand that we have to work to live. We all also understand (or should) that being used, sexually, by others, is not a necessary part of that existential requirement.

 

[Windwalker]

The God who IS love, not "The God OF love", says in His Word people must be transformed to enter Heaven. Logical, since imperfect people like you and I cannot enter Heaven in a sinful state.

Yes, God is Love. And Love is of God. Therefore, God is the God of Love. Love empowers that transformation. If you love another with the Love of God, you are on that path of transformation, whether you are gay, or straight, bi, or trans; tax-collector, prostitute, rich man, poor man, Samaritan, Greek, white, black, male, female, etc. You can be all of those, and enter into the kingdom of God, before the self-righteous, if you do the will of God, which is to Love.

The self-righteous who judges who gets to go to heaven or not, claiming they know somehow because of how they interpret scripture, are not on the path of love at all. They are on the path of self-glorification, apart from God.

 

[Piculet]

ent and not being allowed outside without an escort.

I don't know of that being from Islam.

yea, islam covers a lot of such silly things.

And how many non-Muslims have the self control to abstain from that? You remember you made a comment implying Muslims don't learn to control themselves? This would be only an example that you should be able to understand.

None of them are potential m

And?? I didn't know your complaint had to do with developing skills for flirting with strange women. I thought it was about being able to have a normal conversation with a woman.

Some just call them "proper" muslims.

Who? Someone who hasn't prayed for 5 years?

Also, the "no true scottsman" is one of the most frequently encountered fallacy

.......to be used to cause division.

 

[Piculet]

HAH! You've been here for a month and you really believe that?

I actually don't draw such conclusion from here.