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Oral Sex

TagliatelliMonster

Veteran Member
the number of boys aged between 15 – 19 who have received oral sex from a female had risen from 13% to 49.5% in the U.S.

At 19 years old, I don't call them "boys" anymore. I call them "men".
A "boy", is more like a 12-year old. But moving on...

Consider soldiers being drafted for a war. We don't use "boys". We use men. And 19-year olds count as such and will be joining armies.

In particular, advocates of so called comprehensive sexual education are giving mixed messages with deadly results.

"deadly" results? What do you mean?
Girls suffocating on the D? :D

But in all seriousness... what do you mean? What's so deadly about oral sex?


Whilst they theoretically advocate abstinence, they also push for widespread distribution of contraceptive devices under the assumption that kids will be sexually active and therefore need protection.

Well..... yeah...
What, do you really think horny adolescents stuffed with hormones and in the rebellious stage of their life are going to to stop in the heat of the moment because "their parents told them to"?

That's pretty naive of you.

I have never engaged in and never will engage in oral sex.

You're missing out. :D


It is perverted sex

In your opinion.

Having said that... who are you to tell other people what they can and can not do in the privacy of their bedroom?

I think your idea of sex is psychologically damaging. Yet, I respect your right to deal with it as you please.
Maybe you should return the favor.


I know the right way and wrong way to have sex from the Law and the Word from passages such as Romans 1

Because you believe in that ancient religious book and interpret it that way.
That is your opinion and belief, which isn't shared by other people - not even many of your fellow christians.

So this again is just your opinion. Live by those "rules" if you want to. Don't impose them on others.


And I shouldn’t have to say anything, but I feel here on RF we’re missing some core issues that need to be addressed in today’s society. If you have engaged in this or thinking about doing so you need to ask yourself why.

For the same reason that I have intercourse or hug. Intimacy, love and fun.

I can’t answer that for you

Nore can you decide it for me (or anyone else, except yourself)


Perhaps you are watching something you have no business watching, perhaps you’re involved in pornography or perhaps it’s people that you are listening to that are leading you on. Whatever the case, Yahshua’s message is the same: repent, for the Kingdom of heaven is at hand.

Plenty of christians disagree. And aside from that, your personal religious beliefs have no relevancy to how other people live their life and like to enjoy sex.

So I suggest you come up with an objective reason instead of your religious "because I said so".
If that is all you have, then you have nothing at all except something that means something special to YOU.

It’s disgusting

In your opinion.

Relationships will flourish and the husband and the wife will have true love for one another and respect each other.

How have you determined that a relationship flourishing with true love and respect between a husband and wife (or wife and wife or husband and husband), is impossible if oral sex is involved in their intimate relations?

In fact, exploring sexual intimacy is healthy for a relationship. It increases the intimate bond between the individuals. While suppressing such sexual urges if you have them is actually detrimental to your psychological health which will eventually negatively impact the relationship.

I know many people have no problem with pride marches and demonstrations

I actually do have a problem with such. Not because of the gay factor, but rather because I feel it hurts their cause. A befriended and married gay couple feels the same way and you'll never see them on such ridiculous showcases. But that is for another topic.


Homosexuals will try to tell you that any form of sex is good sex.

Not just homosexuals. Also lesbians and heterosexuals, like me.

I have my own preferences. For example, I think anal sex is extremely disgusting, just like you think about oral sex. But here's the difference between you and me: I actually realise that that is just my opinion and I have no business imposing my opinions on other people.

If a couple enjoys anal sex, then all the more power to them.
Nobody has any business with what that couple likes to do in the privacy of their own bedroom.

Not me, not you, not anyone.


No it isn’t. Satan has his system and oral sex is part of his domain, not Yahweh’s domain. I still regard myself as a young person, but I have to say, the older that I get the more I see that Yahweh’s Laws are for our psychological wellbeing

Well, you're wrong.
Suppressing your sexual urges in a relationship is psychologically damaging which leads to sexual frustration and that frustration will ultimately infect the relationship itself.


They stop us from making major mistakes in life if we obey all of them

So far, the only actual reason / "argument" you have given for trying to support the idea that oral sex is a "major mistake", is "I believe the god I believe in said so".

Can you see how that is an insanely weak argument, which only means something to YOU (and those who share your religious beliefs - which won't be many people)?

Troubling psychological fallout from giving oral sex can make girls feel exploited and they do it to be popular or make boys happy.


Wow, wow, wow...back up there.... you just COMPLETELY changed the context there.

Before, you were just talking about oral sex. You never mentioned anything about peer pressure, or trying to be popular or whatever. Obviously in that context it's not a good thing - and that goes not only for oral sex, but for pretty much anything.

You're also contradicting yourself with this change of context... Because you also talked about how oral sex is supposedly "evil" even in context of a loving married couple engaging in oral sex!!!!

What is the woman trying to be "popular" with her husband??? He already married her... I'ld think she's already "popular" enough, wouldn't you say?

Also, which is quite interesting... why are you exclusively talking about females giving oral sex to males? You aren't aware that males can give females oral sex as well?

pssst: generally, females will enjoy receiving oral sex a lot more then mere intercourse. Also, ever heared of foreplay?

Girls may become bitter against boys or choose not to date them and some may choose to date those of the same gender instead.

/facepalm


So, lesbianism, in your opinion, is "caused" by girls giving head to become popular?

Where the heck do you get this stuff....

I can’t change the world but my hope and prayer is that Yahweh’s Kingdom would come soon so that people would learn what true love really means and enjoy the happiness and peace that comes from keeping the Law.

So...; you have no argument based on reason and evidence. All you have is a rather fundamentalistic religious belief which you would no doubt stuff down everyone's throat if you had the opportunity to do so.


Overall, I think this OP was quite worthless with no valid argument at all. It's just preaching.

Yawn.
 

TagliatelliMonster

Veteran Member
Hi Rival. Good morning. I'm well understanding of that. Some people don't see what's wrong with it but that wasn't the case less than a century ago


You know what also wasn't the case a century ago?
The idea that a black person having a relationship with a white person was acceptable.

Or even only the idea that a black person sat on the same bench as a white person or used the same bathroom.

Hi, welcome in the 21st century. You should be glad to live today, in a world that is a lot more tolerant then the bigotted past. Clearly though, we still have a loooooong way to go.... :rolleyes:
 

TagliatelliMonster

Veteran Member
Hi Jaiket. They are laws which prohibit what we can and cannot do during sex in the Word. Sex between those of the same gender is prohibited (Leviticus 18:22). Sex while a woman is on her period is also prohibited (Levitcus 18:19). It isn't daft. They are so many sexual diseases going around, and yet you say an instructional manual is daft.
STIs commonly caught through oral sex are:
I do wonder. If Yahweh hadn't put any laws in place regarding sex, and sexually transmitted diseases were ravaging the world, who would get the blame? Yahweh. It's not daft to think that we have to exercise self-control in sex also. Self control is after all one of the fruits of the Holy Spirit (Galatians 5:22-23).

You think there are no STD's (or other deseases) that can be transmitted through "regular" intercourse?

If God didn't want us to enjoy various forms of sex, perhaps he shouldn't have designed our private parts in such a way that it gives us so much pleasure and intimacy...

Did you know that if you give a rat a button wired to their brain, that when pushed it simulates an organism, it will orgasm itself to death? Literally!
 
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Evangelicalhumanist

"Truth" isn't a thing...
Premium Member
I swear, it takes religion to make the wonder and glory of sex, in all its diverse expressions, into something nasty. What a terrible waste of time and energy.
 

stvdv

Veteran Member: I Share (not Debate) my POV
Here is a paradox that should trouble the parent of any teenagers. Back in 2000 there was a study done that showed that whilst the number of teens that say they are sexually abstinent is on the rise, so is the number that have had oral sex. Many teens don’t believe oral sex counts as sex and this problem has been growing below the radar of many sex educators and clueless parents. I am going to refer to some studies done in 2000 as this is what I have access to. The study showed that since 1988, the number of boys aged between 15 – 19 who have received oral sex from a female had risen from 13% to 49.5% in the U.S. That means that even back in the year 2000, half of the country had already engaged in oral sex.

It is a mystery to me that adults have no problems giving good advice about the dangers of drugs and alcohol, but for some reason struggle to give advice to the rising generation about sex. In particular, advocates of so called comprehensive sexual education are giving mixed messages with deadly results. Whilst they theoretically advocate abstinence, they also push for widespread distribution of contraceptive devices under the assumption that kids will be sexually active and therefore need protection.

I have never engaged in and never will engage in oral sex. It is perverted sex. I know the right way and wrong way to have sex from the Law and the Word from passages such as Romans 1. And I shouldn’t have to say anything, but I feel here on RF we’re missing some core issues that need to be addressed in today’s society. If you have engaged in this or thinking about doing so you need to ask yourself why. I can’t answer that for you. Perhaps you are watching something you have no business watching, perhaps you’re involved in pornography or perhaps it’s people that you are listening to that are leading you on. Whatever the case, Yahshua’s message is the same: repent, for the Kingdom of heaven is at hand.

It’s disgusting. And for people who are seeking a holy way of life (Leviticus 19:2), this sort of sex shouldn’t even be named among those who call themselves believers. In the Kingdom of Yahweh that is coming, all such acts will be outlawed. Relationships will flourish and the husband and the wife will have true love for one another and respect each other.

I know many people have no problem with pride marches and demonstrations. Homosexuals will try to tell you that any form of sex is good sex. No it isn’t. Satan has his system and oral sex is part of his domain, not Yahweh’s domain. I still regard myself as a young person, but I have to say, the older that I get the more I see that Yahweh’s Laws are for our psychological wellbeing. They stop us from making major mistakes in life if we obey all of them. Not in the sense that following the Word doesn’t have problems - it does. Persecution is one of them. But we have the strength that comes from prayer and encouraging words from the Word to help us deal with those things. Troubling psychological fallout from giving oral sex can make girls feel exploited and they do it to be popular or make boys happy. Girls may become bitter against boys or choose not to date them and some may choose to date those of the same gender instead.

I can’t change the world but my hope and prayer is that Yahweh’s Kingdom would come soon so that people would learn what true love really means and enjoy the happiness and peace that comes from keeping the Law.
Maybe you don't have oral sex, but I can see at least 3 things that you mess up, according to "God"
 

sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
I can’t change the world but my hope and prayer is that Yahweh’s Kingdom would come soon so that people would learn what true love really means and enjoy the happiness and peace that comes from keeping the Law.
My best guess from reading your post is that true love means "condemning those who hold different views with regard to expressing one's sexuality," and that peace and happiness derive from policing the bedrooms of others.
 

Truthseeker

Non-debating member when I can help myself
The reason people do not agree is because humans have free will, so people can choose to cling to their religions just because they like them, not even wondering if they are the religion God wants them to adhere to.

God does not interfere with human free will, He just lets people believe what they want to believe. God is probably biding His time because God knows that in the future there will be only one religion, since that is what God has ordained.

“That which the Lord hath ordained as the sovereign remedy and mightiest instrument for the healing of all the world is the union of all its peoples in one universal Cause, one common Faith.” The Summons of the Lord of Hosts, p. 91
But does that mean the same religion? Consider this:

There is no reference in the writings stating that every single person will become Bahá’í, but at least half of them will. Rúḥíyyih Khánum used to say that Shoghi Effendi was asked this question quite often by pilgrims. He would answer by saying that, in this Dispensation, the totality of the peoples of the world will not become Bahá’ís, but the majority will.

‘Alí Nakhjavani, “Shoghi Effendi: The Range and Power of His Pen”

This is the changeless Faith of God, eternal in the past, eternal in the future.

, “Gleanings from the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh” , 70.2

In my opinion, I also don't think the world will have one religion in the next Dispensation. The union of all it's peoples is clearly destined for this Dispensation.

God’s purpose is none other than to usher in, in ways He alone can bring about, and the full significance of which He alone can fathom, the Great, the Golden Age of a long-divided, a long-afflicted humanity. Its present state, indeed even its immediate future, is dark, distressingly dark. Its distant future, however, is radiant, gloriously radiant — so radiant that no eye can visualize it.

Shoghi Effendi, “The Promised Day is Come” , 286

This will indeed be the fitting climax of that process of integration which, starting with the family, the smallest unit in the scale of human organization, must, after having called successively into being the tribe, the city-state, and the nation, continue to operate until it culminates in the unification of the whole world, the final object and the crowning glory of human evolution on this planet. It is this stage which humanity, willingly or unwillingly, is resistlessly approaching. It is for this stage that this vast, this fiery ordeal which humanity is experiencing is mysteriously paving the way. It is with this stage that the fortunes and the purpose of the Faith of Bahá’u’lláh are indissolubly linked. It is the creative energies which His Revelation has released in the “year sixty,” and later reinforced by the successive effusions of celestial power vouchsafed in the “year nine” and the “year eighty” to all mankind, that have instilled into humanity the capacity to attain this final stage in its organic and collective evolution. It is with the Golden Age of His Dispensation that the consummation of this process will be forever associated. It is the structure of His New World Order, now stirring in the womb of the administrative institutions He Himself has created, that will serve both as a pattern and a nucleus of that world commonwealth which is the sure, the inevitable destiny of the peoples and nations of the earth.

Shoghi Effendi, “The Promised Day is Come” , 290
 

sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
EsonauticSage. You can see how it's wrong because it's not showing love to your spouse. Psychologically such oral sex can be devastating to an individual. Does that sound like it's something that is scriptural? Girls and women can grow bitter against their boyfriends and husbands for having to do oral sex. Does that sound like something that is acceptable? Most women do not like giving oral sex. Sure, some say they do. They do it because it pleases the man. If men stood up for what was right and had a true sense of love and care for their spouses, they wouldn't have them do it.

"Even so ought husbands also to love their own wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his own wife loveth himself" (Ephesians 5:28)

I have held back during this discussion to get in to why this is perverted sex. I don't want to get in to the details because it's obnoxious to me. I used to work for an organisation called Southern Electric. It was a male dominated workplace and you'd hear conversations at times about the sex lives of some of these people. I've since left that place, but I know from what I heard there that oral sex is not pleasing to Yahweh. It's not a characteristic of Yahweh's Holy Spirit. A lot of these sexual acts such as anal sex, or oral sex, are perverted and they exhibit a wrong spirit. They show hate, not love. If you can't tell the difference between good sex and bad sex, then I feel you need to read the Bible.
ANY sex act -- including heterosexual intercourse -- can be abused as a power trip, as a hate tool, or as a subjugation instrument. Jesus said, though, that it's not what goes into the mouth that defiles (pun partially intended). In all seriousness, if you want to get to the crux of the matter, it's much more about intent than it is mechanics. Case in point against your anecdotal "support of your argument: My wife loves to give me oral sex, but I don't really like to receive it. Kind of blows your "theory" out of the water with regard men "standing up for what's right..."
 

Evangelicalhumanist

"Truth" isn't a thing...
Premium Member
ANY sex act -- including heterosexual intercourse -- can be abused as a power trip, as a hate tool, or as a subjugation instrument. Jesus said, though, that it's not what goes into the mouth that defiles (pun partially intended). In all seriousness, if you want to get to the crux of the matter, it's much more about intent than it is mechanics. Case in point against your anecdotal "support of your argument: My wife loves to give me oral sex, but I don't really like to receive it. Kind of blows your "theory" out of the water with regard men "standing up for what's right..."
Not gonna talk about my sex life -- at my age it's mostly hypothetical anyway. But I will say this, and mean it deeply -- anything that someone did during sexual activity (in the distant past) that gave me great pleasure, I absolutely loved doing back. For no greater reason than that I assumed that the pleasure it gave me, I was giving them. And that is a happy thought.
 

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
Which God is letting them in?
We do not know who will be getting in. Only God knows that. However, according to Jesus, there are those who will not be getting in, and it has nothing to do with sexual orientation or sexual acts.

Matthew 25:35-46

35 For I was anhungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:

36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.

37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee anhungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?

38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?

39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?

40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:

43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.

44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?

45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.

46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
 
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Trailblazer

Veteran Member
But does that mean the same religion? Consider this:

There is no reference in the writings stating that every single person will become Bahá’í, but at least half of them will. Rúḥíyyih Khánum used to say that Shoghi Effendi was asked this question quite often by pilgrims. He would answer by saying that, in this Dispensation, the totality of the peoples of the world will not become Bahá’ís, but the majority will.

‘Alí Nakhjavani, “Shoghi Effendi: The Range and Power of His Pen”
Thanks, I never saw that quote.

I was not implying that everyone would become a Baha'i. There is no reason to believe there will be one common faith during the Dispensation of Baha'u'llah. There will probably be another Messenger(s) of God and another religion(s) before there is "one common faith."

On the other hand, once everyone knows about Baha'u'llah, as the passage below indicates will happen, it is possible that everyone will become a Baha'i, although there is no away to know when that will happen.

“Warn and acquaint the people, O Servant, with the things We have sent down unto Thee, and let the fear of no one dismay Thee, and be Thou not of them that waver. The day is approaching when God will have exalted His Cause and magnified His testimony in the eyes of all who are in the heavens and all who are on the earth.” Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 248
 
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Piculet

Active Member
What, do you really think horny adolescents stuffed with hormones and in the rebellious stage of their life are going to to stop in the heat of the moment because "their parents told them to"?
If they were raised proper Muslims there should never be "at the heat of the moment" whereat to stop. Same goes for Christians. If they raise their children according to the Bible, there should be no heat of the moment to stop at.

So you see, your problem is in how you raise your children — not in "biology".
 

PureX

Veteran Member
There is pornography and there is pornography.

One form is movies where the male and female actors are paid substantial sums of money. I don't see those people as being exploited for personal power and profit.
Neither do they, but they are. And everyone ELSE knows it. And I can tell you how we all know it: because they would not do what they're doing UNLESS SOMEONE PAYS THEM.

Admittedly, some pornography is of the kind you refer to.
Remove the money, drugs, and whatever other forms of coercion pornographers use to gain the consent to exploit other people bodies sexually, for profit, and it's no longer porn, to me. It's just an aspect of personal sexual interaction.
 
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