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Discussion in 'Journals' started by Rival, Sep 21, 2019.

  1. Rival

    Rival The Unicorn Noahide
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  2. Terry Sampson

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    So, when I see this:

    Screenshot_2019-09-21 Canada The Noahide World Center.png

    or this:

    Screenshot_2019-09-21 Netiv Calgary – A Noahide Community.png

    I should understand that Noachides hope to change the world by breeding or by on-line responses to inquiries?

    Cool!

    Well, for sure, you're not gonna meet many in RF and I haven't noticed a line formed around here, waiting for responses.
     
  3. adrian009

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    How come? Aren't you looking to convert fully to Judaism at some stage?
     
  4. Rival

    Rival The Unicorn Noahide
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    No.
     
  5. Rival

    Rival The Unicorn Noahide
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    As far as I'm aware they aren't actively proselytising on the streets so to speak. They seem to be there for inquiry. If they did or do preach I'd disagree with that.
     
  6. dianaiad

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    Well, why should everyone around you change their lives to fit you? You are young. Very young. You have time, and you have choices, and if you read the scriptures you will ALSO find that those who choose their religions...or choose to live their religion more strictly than their neighbors, almost ALWAYS have to leave. ....unless they manage to convert their neighbors, or their neighbors end up killing them. That's what reality is, in 'real life,' AND in all the histories.

    The problem is, your wish to live your religion is YOUR problem. Your choice...and it is an admirable one. If you lived near me you would be welcome to live as you wish and talk all you want about it. I'd be fine with it and support you in your choices. However, I do have my own beliefs and see no more need to change mine to suit you than you need to change yours to suit me.

    You have choices here. Being a Noachide...which is a lifestyle that is not, I understand, an organized religion...involves many personal choices. Noachides mostly connect with one another online, and don't meet in groups. So pretty much every other Noahchide is in the same boat you are. From where I sit, I figure you can:

    1. Go find an area with people who agree with you...hard to do, since being a Noachide seems to be an individual choice, not a 'joining of a group'
    2. Stay where you are and accept that your choices are your choices, and that nobody has to change to suit you. Given the lifestyle of a Noachide, and the singular nature of that choice and lifestyle, it seems a bit contrary of you to be an observant Noachide AND expect everybody around you to 'get' it and accommodate you.
    3. You can go all the way and convert to Judaism. You WOULD find a community of support if you do. I understand that doing so would be a little more difficult than sitting outside the group as a Noachide; you would have to be considerably more careful to observe the commandments of the Torah, but you are the one who must make that choice.
    4. You could move to Normandie and/or become a hermit. That way you don't have to worry about what other people think. Or do.

    Or you can sit there and complain that a belief which does not believe in proselytizing, doesn't commit entirely to the religion it pays homage to, and isn't much related to the beliefs and life style that is observed by everybody around you, messes with your social life.

    You COULD try being a Mormon in Missouri. Or Russia, or mainland China,

    Or a Jew in the first half of the twentieth century in Germany.

    Or a Jew pretty much everywhere at pretty much any time between the year zero until the last decade or two.
     
  7. 9-10ths_Penguin

    9-10ths_Penguin 1/10 Riboflavin
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    There was a time not too long ago that adherents of minority religions could be downright persecuted in the UK. Sounds like you're yearning for a past that didn't actually exist.
     
  8. Terry Sampson

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    Yeah, you're probably right. I'm intrigued by the Calgary Community associated with the Canadian website I linked to earlier. They definitely appear to be making their presence known on-line.
    Screenshot_2019-09-21 Netiv Calgary – A Noahide Community(1).png

    And I even came across this Netiv video:



    Well, regardless what you decide for yourself, ... good luck.
     
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  9. Deeje

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    @Rival......there are several dilemmas in your life all at once. Any one of them alone would be enough, but all together, it's looking rather impossible to sort out without compromise.

    How far are you willing to go in order to live a more authentic life?

    Living with your Dad sounds like it's stifling you. Visiting your Mum is where you felt better. Because you are so young, would a move be so terrible if it freed you from the shackles that you feel are weighing you down now? Where is your life going at present? Your youth is on your side....you will adapt to new surroundings quite readily and within a year, the new place will feel like home. And it's not like you can't go back to visit "home" if you want to.

    Your sexuality and your religious beliefs are yours to sort out personally, but if you had more freedom to explore yourself in those areas, wouldn't the freedom provided by new surrounds be more conducive to a more fulfilling life? If you stay where you are, where do you see yourself in 10 years?

    These are questions only you can answer.
     
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  10. Rival

    Rival The Unicorn Noahide
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    I get what you're saying although I don't know what you mean by doesn't commit fully to the religion it pays homage to. I'm not expecting everyone around me to change, I just feel isolated in a country that has millions of people. I can get along with many people but I'm just looking for that one special person, even if it's just a friend. Everyone deserves friends, surely.

    I want to be as much a part of my country and my people as my religion. Having to pick one over the other is heartbreaking.
     
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  11. Workman

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    Than who are you? To why were you was your Reason? That your now have become?
    But it seems that you have chosened..and you does not know which? If You have been to busy with others...than forgetting your own need to LOVE!..take it or leave it!..I only approach you because you should know; YOU are the SUPERIOR!
     
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  12. Rival

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    I (thought) SO!..(I) will let [you] be!..as I see..you are STILL keeping yourself VERY busy!..It looks like now, (it) be mistakened of [you]!..Good luck!..for who [YOU] be?
     
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    Hey, I'm happy to be your friend. You can talk to me all you want about your faith. I don't think I'll be converting to Noahide anytime soon. :D
     
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    My heart goes out to you, rival! I’ve felt that way before, all alone.
    No Noachides at all near you? Find where they are, and go to them! Uproot yourself...something I did when I was 29.
     
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    columbus Conservative Catholic from Hell

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    Do you really live there, or do you reside there? The difference is subtle but important.
    Tom
     
  17. PureX

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    Ideology vs. reality.

    Is God real, or God just an idea that we really want to believe in?

    If God is real, then reality is the place to seek It. If God is just an ideal that one prefers to reality, then God is the pathway to a 'living death'.

    If your ideology is forcing you to choose between it, and life lived with your fellow humans, I think you need to rethink the true nature of your ideology.
     
  18. JayaBholenath

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    I understand how you feel, and it's Indeed really not easy...
    :hugehug:
    I'm sure you will be fine and you will find what you are looking for someday. Even if you have to move or leave your place,it's a Big beginning, not an end.
    Why would god make someone suffer for this ? Each obstacle like that is a way to push us forward to a new place, action, to New people etc...I'm sure that there is an meaning in this, and that you'll find it and be happy in your chosen religion :glomp:
     
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  19. dianaiad

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    Yes. It is. But it's where you are.
     
  20. Saint Frankenstein

    Saint Frankenstein ᛘᛁᛏᚾᛁᚴᚼᛏ᛫ᛋᚢᚾ
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    I feel you. It's just part of being in a small, obscure religion. I often feel alienated by the wider culture. On the other hand, the ignorance of others allows me more flexibily but it sucks having to explain it all the time ("is that an anchor on your necklace?" or "oh, you mean like the Marvel movies?"). I just chalk it up to people being stupid. Americans are dumber than most when it comes to religion. But luckily I don't need other people to practice my religion.
     
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