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I Live Here Too

Terry Sampson

Well-Known Member
So, when I see this:

Screenshot_2019-09-21 Canada The Noahide World Center.png


or this:

Screenshot_2019-09-21 Netiv Calgary – A Noahide Community.png


I should understand that Noachides hope to change the world by breeding or by on-line responses to inquiries?

Cool!

Well, for sure, you're not gonna meet many in RF and I haven't noticed a line formed around here, waiting for responses.
 

Rival

Si m'ait Dieus
Staff member
Premium Member
So, when I see this:

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or this:

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I should understand that Noachides hope to change the world by breeding or by on-line responses to inquiries?

Cool!

Well, for sure, you're not gonna meet many in RF and I haven't noticed a line formed around here, waiting for responses.
As far as I'm aware they aren't actively proselytising on the streets so to speak. They seem to be there for inquiry. If they did or do preach I'd disagree with that.
 

dianaiad

Well-Known Member
I've been on plenty of holidays. I just find it sad that I have to leave my homeland, that I know and love, for my religion. It's giving up a huge part of me that I'm not ready to give up. My mom recently moved to Normandie and it's lovely there, I could go there forever with her and her partner in a place which is out of the way and I did feel much better there but why should I have to? It's just sad.

Well, why should everyone around you change their lives to fit you? You are young. Very young. You have time, and you have choices, and if you read the scriptures you will ALSO find that those who choose their religions...or choose to live their religion more strictly than their neighbors, almost ALWAYS have to leave. ....unless they manage to convert their neighbors, or their neighbors end up killing them. That's what reality is, in 'real life,' AND in all the histories.

The problem is, your wish to live your religion is YOUR problem. Your choice...and it is an admirable one. If you lived near me you would be welcome to live as you wish and talk all you want about it. I'd be fine with it and support you in your choices. However, I do have my own beliefs and see no more need to change mine to suit you than you need to change yours to suit me.

You have choices here. Being a Noachide...which is a lifestyle that is not, I understand, an organized religion...involves many personal choices. Noachides mostly connect with one another online, and don't meet in groups. So pretty much every other Noahchide is in the same boat you are. From where I sit, I figure you can:

1. Go find an area with people who agree with you...hard to do, since being a Noachide seems to be an individual choice, not a 'joining of a group'
2. Stay where you are and accept that your choices are your choices, and that nobody has to change to suit you. Given the lifestyle of a Noachide, and the singular nature of that choice and lifestyle, it seems a bit contrary of you to be an observant Noachide AND expect everybody around you to 'get' it and accommodate you.
3. You can go all the way and convert to Judaism. You WOULD find a community of support if you do. I understand that doing so would be a little more difficult than sitting outside the group as a Noachide; you would have to be considerably more careful to observe the commandments of the Torah, but you are the one who must make that choice.
4. You could move to Normandie and/or become a hermit. That way you don't have to worry about what other people think. Or do.

Or you can sit there and complain that a belief which does not believe in proselytizing, doesn't commit entirely to the religion it pays homage to, and isn't much related to the beliefs and life style that is observed by everybody around you, messes with your social life.

You COULD try being a Mormon in Missouri. Or Russia, or mainland China,

Or a Jew in the first half of the twentieth century in Germany.

Or a Jew pretty much everywhere at pretty much any time between the year zero until the last decade or two.
 

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
I feel abandoned by my own country and my own people. Maybe that's overdramatic, but there are tens of thousands of people here and it's not as though I'm a hermit; I go out! I meet people. I socialise. I go to cafes. It seems as though people in this country shrugged off Christianity and with it, abandoned all religion ever, along with the social morality that usually goes along with it.
There was a time not too long ago that adherents of minority religions could be downright persecuted in the UK. Sounds like you're yearning for a past that didn't actually exist.
 

Terry Sampson

Well-Known Member
They seem to be there for inquiry.

Yeah, you're probably right. I'm intrigued by the Calgary Community associated with the Canadian website I linked to earlier. They definitely appear to be making their presence known on-line.
Screenshot_2019-09-21 Netiv Calgary – A Noahide Community(1).png


And I even came across this Netiv video:


Well, regardless what you decide for yourself, ... good luck.
 

Deeje

Avid Bible Student
Premium Member
@Rival......there are several dilemmas in your life all at once. Any one of them alone would be enough, but all together, it's looking rather impossible to sort out without compromise.

How far are you willing to go in order to live a more authentic life?

Living with your Dad sounds like it's stifling you. Visiting your Mum is where you felt better. Because you are so young, would a move be so terrible if it freed you from the shackles that you feel are weighing you down now? Where is your life going at present? Your youth is on your side....you will adapt to new surroundings quite readily and within a year, the new place will feel like home. And it's not like you can't go back to visit "home" if you want to.

Your sexuality and your religious beliefs are yours to sort out personally, but if you had more freedom to explore yourself in those areas, wouldn't the freedom provided by new surrounds be more conducive to a more fulfilling life? If you stay where you are, where do you see yourself in 10 years?

These are questions only you can answer.
 

Rival

Si m'ait Dieus
Staff member
Premium Member
Well, why should everyone around you change their lives to fit you? You are young. Very young. You have time, and you have choices, and if you read the scriptures you will ALSO find that those who choose their religions...or choose to live their religion more strictly than their neighbors, almost ALWAYS have to leave. ....unless they manage to convert their neighbors, or their neighbors end up killing them. That's what reality is, in 'real life,' AND in all the histories.

The problem is, your wish to live your religion is YOUR problem. Your choice...and it is an admirable one. If you lived near me you would be welcome to live as you wish and talk all you want about it. I'd be fine with it and support you in your choices. However, I do have my own beliefs and see no more need to change mine to suit you than you need to change yours to suit me.

You have choices here. Being a Noachide...which is a lifestyle that is not, I understand, an organized religion...involves many personal choices. Noachides mostly connect with one another online, and don't meet in groups. So pretty much every other Noahchide is in the same boat you are. From where I sit, I figure you can:

1. Go find an area with people who agree with you...hard to do, since being a Noachide seems to be an individual choice, not a 'joining of a group'
2. Stay where you are and accept that your choices are your choices, and that nobody has to change to suit you. Given the lifestyle of a Noachide, and the singular nature of that choice and lifestyle, it seems a bit contrary of you to be an observant Noachide AND expect everybody around you to 'get' it and accommodate you.
3. You can go all the way and convert to Judaism. You WOULD find a community of support if you do. I understand that doing so would be a little more difficult than sitting outside the group as a Noachide; you would have to be considerably more careful to observe the commandments of the Torah, but you are the one who must make that choice.
4. You could move to Normandie and/or become a hermit. That way you don't have to worry about what other people think. Or do.

Or you can sit there and complain that a belief which does not believe in proselytizing, doesn't commit entirely to the religion it pays homage to, and isn't much related to the beliefs and life style that is observed by everybody around you, messes with your social life.

You COULD try being a Mormon in Missouri. Or Russia, or mainland China,

Or a Jew in the first half of the twentieth century in Germany.

Or a Jew pretty much everywhere at pretty much any time between the year zero until the last decade or two.
I get what you're saying although I don't know what you mean by doesn't commit fully to the religion it pays homage to. I'm not expecting everyone around me to change, I just feel isolated in a country that has millions of people. I can get along with many people but I'm just looking for that one special person, even if it's just a friend. Everyone deserves friends, surely.

I want to be as much a part of my country and my people as my religion. Having to pick one over the other is heartbreaking.
 
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Workman

UNIQUE
I'm not a Christian.
Than who are you? To why were you was your Reason? That your now have become?
But it seems that you have chosened..and you does not know which? If You have been to busy with others...than forgetting your own need to LOVE!..take it or leave it!..I only approach you because you should know; YOU are the SUPERIOR!
 
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Rival

Si m'ait Dieus
Staff member
Premium Member
Than who are you? To why are you? What was your Reason? That your now have become?..it seems you have chosened..but you don't know which? If You have been to busy with others...than forgetting your own need to LOVE!..take it or leave it!..I only approach you because you should know; YOU are the SUPERIOR!
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Hockeycowboy

Witness for Jehovah
Premium Member
Well, apparently I've reached that point. I guess I'm more religious than I think.

But I live here too, England. I am so burnt out trying to do this; trying to have interactions with people that aren't lashon hara in some way because that's all they want to discuss, or finding a friend with whom I can talk about faith in-depth; I commit my fair share of sins and I don't want to add to those merely by living where I do, but it's becoming hard. Sure, I live in a small village in a rural shire on what is now a mostly nonreligious island, but out of the millions who live here I'd have thought there would be one. One person with whom I could connect. Conversely, even if that person didn't exist, I'd be happy to be more solitary as long as I weren't in a community that made it hard to be as stringent as I wish in my faith.

But alas.

I live here too.

This is my home. This is what I know, this is my culture, my folk, my tongue, my history, my upbringing, and it seems as though I am being asked to abandon it all just since I want to worship HaShem.

I feel abandoned by my own country and my own people. Maybe that's overdramatic, but there are tens of thousands of people here and it's not as though I'm a hermit; I go out! I meet people. I socialise. I go to cafes. It seems as though people in this country shrugged off Christianity and with it, abandoned all religion ever, along with the social morality that usually goes along with it.

But, I live here too.

So what am I supposed to do? I don't like being effectively admonished by my family for not having a boyfriend, or feeling like a failure since I haven't, and being called a religious nutcase by my father. Yeah that doesn't go down well with me for some reason. I'd like to have a relationship - hell's bells I'm 24 already, what gives?

I live here. That's what.

Could have been a Jewish boy. I mean I could also have been a Jewish yeshivah boy so gay he puts blue ribbons in his peyos, but even then I'd still have more chance of being married!

I am not sure why HaShem put me here, but as He did so He can take me out. Not me. I'm not doing that. I didn't choose to live here. If HaShem wants me to be a Noachide and to worship Him and to stay on the straight path, He's going a funny, no, absurd, way about it.
My heart goes out to you, rival! I’ve felt that way before, all alone.
No Noachides at all near you? Find where they are, and go to them! Uproot yourself...something I did when I was 29.
 

columbus

yawn <ignore> yawn
Sure, I live in a small village in a rural shire on what is now a mostly nonreligious island, but out of the millions who live here I'd have thought there would be one.
Do you really live there, or do you reside there? The difference is subtle but important.
Tom
 

PureX

Veteran Member
Ideology vs. reality.

Is God real, or God just an idea that we really want to believe in?

If God is real, then reality is the place to seek It. If God is just an ideal that one prefers to reality, then God is the pathway to a 'living death'.

If your ideology is forcing you to choose between it, and life lived with your fellow humans, I think you need to rethink the true nature of your ideology.
 

Nyingjé Tso

Tänpa Yungdrung zhab pä tän gyur jig
Vanakkam

I understand how you feel, and it's Indeed really not easy...
:hugehug:
I'm sure you will be fine and you will find what you are looking for someday. Even if you have to move or leave your place,it's a Big beginning, not an end.
Why would god make someone suffer for this ? Each obstacle like that is a way to push us forward to a new place, action, to New people etc...I'm sure that there is an meaning in this, and that you'll find it and be happy in your chosen religion :glomp:
 

dianaiad

Well-Known Member
I get what you're saying although I don't know what you mean by doesn't commit fully to the religion it pays homage to. I'm not expecting everyone around me to change, I just feel isolated in a country that has millions of people. I can get along with many people but I'm just looking for that one special person, even if it's just a friend. Everyone deserves friends, surely.

I want to be as much a part of my country and my people as my religion. Having to pick one over the other is heartbreaking.

Yes. It is. But it's where you are.
 

Saint Frankenstein

Wanderer From Afar
Premium Member
Well, apparently I've reached that point. I guess I'm more religious than I think.

But I live here too, England. I am so burnt out trying to do this; trying to have interactions with people that aren't lashon hara in some way because that's all they want to discuss, or finding a friend with whom I can talk about faith in-depth; I commit my fair share of sins and I don't want to add to those merely by living where I do, but it's becoming hard. Sure, I live in a small village in a rural shire on what is now a mostly nonreligious island, but out of the millions who live here I'd have thought there would be one. One person with whom I could connect. Conversely, even if that person didn't exist, I'd be happy to be more solitary as long as I weren't in a community that made it hard to be as stringent as I wish in my faith.

But alas.

I live here too.

This is my home. This is what I know, this is my culture, my folk, my tongue, my history, my upbringing, and it seems as though I am being asked to abandon it all just since I want to worship HaShem.

I feel abandoned by my own country and my own people. Maybe that's overdramatic, but there are tens of thousands of people here and it's not as though I'm a hermit; I go out! I meet people. I socialise. I go to cafes. It seems as though people in this country shrugged off Christianity and with it, abandoned all religion ever, along with the social morality that usually goes along with it.

But, I live here too.

So what am I supposed to do? I don't like being effectively admonished by my family for not having a boyfriend, or feeling like a failure since I haven't, and being called a religious nutcase by my father. Yeah that doesn't go down well with me for some reason. I'd like to have a relationship - hell's bells I'm 24 already, what gives?

I live here. That's what.

Could have been a Jewish boy. I mean I could also have been a Jewish yeshivah boy so gay he puts blue ribbons in his peyos, but even then I'd still have more chance of being married!

I am not sure why HaShem put me here, but as He did so He can take me out. Not me. I'm not doing that. I didn't choose to live here. If HaShem wants me to be a Noachide and to worship Him and to stay on the straight path, He's going a funny, no, absurd, way about it.
I feel you. It's just part of being in a small, obscure religion. I often feel alienated by the wider culture. On the other hand, the ignorance of others allows me more flexibily but it sucks having to explain it all the time ("is that an anchor on your necklace?" or "oh, you mean like the Marvel movies?"). I just chalk it up to people being stupid. Americans are dumber than most when it comes to religion. But luckily I don't need other people to practice my religion.
 
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