Most threads do. To be honest, sometimes I'm not even sure why we have a discussion forum.I've been thinking of just posting any thread's I make in a debate forum. It seems to always end up that way lol
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Most threads do. To be honest, sometimes I'm not even sure why we have a discussion forum.I've been thinking of just posting any thread's I make in a debate forum. It seems to always end up that way lol
Probably all the studies that have been done on them.how can we have confidence in the vaccine that is currently being promoted?
Who are the studies done by? The ones who produce the vaccines? Messing with people's immune systems without long term effects being part of the studies is a bit premature for me.Probably all the studies that have been done on them.
It was a simple question.
Fair enough, but the same applies to anyone on this thread who has disagreed with someone else, and there are plenty of examples of that on this thread. What starts as a discussion can become heated, especially if people have strong opinions. I do not want to debate anyone or convince anyone, I just want a right to my own opinion, but since I am in the minority my opinion gets trampled on.Okay first off, this thread isn't in a debate forum it's in a discussion forum.
If you want to pick apart people's posts, you should do it in a thread that's designed for that.
With all due respect, I was not involved in these discussions on the vaccines until very recently, so I did not know about the policy till recently. Would I have anything to say about it?Secondly, that policy has been in effect for over a year. You're a part of this community. If you disagree with the policy, if you think it's outdated, needs to be revised, whatever, you would need to go start a thread in Site Feedback to that effect.
Just spontaneously deciding it's a bad policy because it happens to be inconvenient for you personally at the moment isn't going to cut it.
But who is willing to look at it? That was my point. I am not saying I agree just because I watched one video, only that I am considering it.We can't, that was my point.
I did not say I did. I had an impression but I would have to learn more in order to form an opinion.I never said I knew any of that. I'm just saying, you don't know what his motives are either.
No, it does not mean that, but the same can be said for other vaccine experts.Just because he's technically qualified to have an opinion, it doesn't automatically follow that he's using his qualifications responsibly.
I never said that I only valued my health, but I cannot control other people’s health, only my own. I do not believe mass vaccinations are the best long-term solution to this pandemic, but If I am wrong we’ll find out eventually.There's more at stake here than your health.
We cannot go back and do this over again differently. I agree we cannot continue with the lockdown much longer and if the vaccinations are the way to solve that problem I am all for it. I don’t believe they are good for individual’s health but it is not my choice what people do with their bodies. People are going to do what they believe is best for them at the time according to the information they have in order to accomplish what is important for them.Our society can't afford to be on lockdown much longer. A lot of the damage that's already been done may be a repairable.
Ditto on that regarding the mainstream medical community, and with good personal reasons.I don't have blind faith in this vaccine.
I certainly don't have blind faith in the mainstream medical community or big pharma: as a matter of fact I have a pretty strong distrust for both of these institutions, and with good personal reason.
I agree that risks need to be taken for the good of the whole society, I am just not sure that mass vaccinations are the best solution for individuals or for society; and since such a campaign had never been undertaken in modern times, the so-called experts do not know that either, which was good point that was made in the video. This vaccine campaign is just one big experiment that was entered into rather impulsively because nobody had any other solutions after the virus was raging out of control.I realize there are risks to this vaccine, probably many that we aren't even aware of yet.
But, as things stand, looking at the big picture, risks need to be taken. And all things considered I think the risks are small here.
I admire your motive of sacrifice but I don’t see how you taking the vaccine is going to make a contribution.As a senior member of my society I feel a responsibility to be one of the people taking the risks, whatever risks there are.
There are plenty of people who want the vaccine so I am not needed as a test subject. I will probably never get the vaccine unless I have to get it for a reason. I have never taken a vaccine in my life and I have never been sick with anything that people are vaccinated for. In fact I very rarely get sick at all even though I worked in an office for 44 years, where people all around me were sick all the time. The man in the video made a very good point about the immune system and how it works. It is needed for more than fighting off the Covid-19 virus.If you would rather sit on the sidelines and see what happens to the rest of us before taking it yourself, you certainly have that option.
Fair enough, but the same applies to anyone on this thread who has disagreed with someone else, and there are plenty of examples of that on this thread. What starts as a discussion can become heated, especially if people have strong opinions. I do not want to debate anyone or convince anyone, I just want a right to my own opinion, but since I am in the minority my opinion gets trampled on.
With all due respect, I was not involved in these discussions on the vaccines until very recently, so I did not know about the policy till recently. Would I have anything to say about it?
But who is willing to look at it? That was my point. I am not saying I agree just because I watched one video, only that I am considering it.
I did not say I did. I had an impression but I would have to learn more in order to form an opinion.
No, it does not mean that, but the same can be said for other vaccine experts.
I never said that I only valued my health, but I cannot control other people’s health, only my own. I do not believe mass vaccinations are the best long-term solution to this pandemic, but If I am wrong we’ll find out eventually.
We cannot go back and do this over again differently. I agree we cannot continue with the lockdown much longer and if the vaccinations are the way to solve that problem I am all for it. I don’t believe they are good for individual’s health but it is not my choice what people do with their bodies. People are going to do what they believe is best for them at the time according to the information they have in order to accomplish what is important for them.
Ditto on that regarding the mainstream medical community, and with good personal reasons.
I agree that risks need to be taken for the good of the whole society, I am just not sure that mass vaccinations are the best solution for individuals or for society; and since such a campaign had never been undertaken in modern times, the so-called experts do not know that either, which was good point that was made in the video. This vaccine campaign is just one big experiment that was entered into rather impulsively because nobody had any other solutions after the virus was raging out of control.
I admire your motive of sacrifice but I don’t see how you taking the vaccine is going to make a contribution.
There are plenty of people who want the vaccine so I am not needed as a test subject. I will probably never get the vaccine unless I have to get it for a reason. I have never taken a vaccine in my life and I have never been sick with anything that people are vaccinated for. In fact I very rarely get sick at all even though I worked in an office for 44 years, where people all around me were sick all the time. The man in the video made a very good point about the immune system and how it works. It is needed for more than fighting off the Covid-19 virus.
That what doesn't kill you makes you stronger.... seems to have worked for you, being around for more than 60 yearsI've never had polio, diphtheria, tetanus, Hep A or Hep B, rubella, or whooping cough. I had mumps and measles and maybe chicken pox as a kid, 60 years ago. (Gee, I wonder why?) I'm taking my chances with this poke.
Well I can understand your position but there is always the unexpected, and for me it still makes more sense to have the vaccine than not.We all know how the virus is transmitted. Given that I am not in contact with anyone, how can I get the virus? Why do I need the shot to protect me from something that cannot happen. That is like wearing a seat belt around the house in case I might have a car accident. I am being rational.
If I decide to start engaging in activities outside the house where I come into contact with people then I will reassess. If I cared about those activities I would probably get the vaccine now, but I do not give a twit about the activities most people care about, they are boring to me.
Another thing is that this virus won't be around forever, so I can wait it out. Unlike most people, I am in no hurry to "get back to normal life" because I never had a normal life to begin with.
IMO this does not fall under misinformation. He is a scientist, and as a scientist myself, I think it would be really bad if scientists are forced, or stop looking at other (all) angles. And this is exactly what this scientist does.I'm also going to remind you that the covid misinformation policy is still in effect, and posting misinformation about the vaccine --- and I think this qualifies --- is covered by that policy.
If it makes sense for you I think you should get it.Well I can understand your position but there is always the unexpected, and for me it still makes more sense to have the vaccine than not.
Oh, I am - second shot in a few days.If it makes sense for you I think you should get it.
Great, they say that getting the second shot is really important to get the full immunity.Oh, I am - second shot in a few days.
It is your ability to pass it on and harm others, You can do what you like with your own body.And I could get in an auto accident and get killed next time I go out.
If I lived in fear of everything that might happen I might as well stop living.
Time will tell.
Well hopefully the vaccines will do a good enough job of returning us to normality. I've probably mentioned before that the virus doesn't concern me unduly, apart from not really knowing how it might affect me, and I just feel it my duty to get vaccinated so as to bring this thing to an end. Of course, with all the mutations going on, this is likely to take longer than expected and we can't be sure how long we will have to live with some uncertainties. It sure is something that I wouldn't have predicted, but just remember the 1918 pandemic when they had no chance to produce a vaccine so quickly, and where at least 50 million died. No progress?Great, they say that getting the second shot is really important to get the full immunity.
Yes, I believe that the Koran updated the New Testament. I was going to include the Koran but I was trying to be brief and skip that step because the Writings of Baha'u'llah updated both the New Testament and the Koran. When I say updated I mean shed new light on and renew, I do not mean do away with or replace.
Matthew 24:35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
The same applies to the scriptures of all the great world religions.
I am posting this video again so people can watch it.
To those who answered "no," I'm curious: have you thought about the fact that more than 365 MILLION shots have been given around the world, and we're hearing, what, next-to-nothing about bad effects, and a lot about the fact that the vaccines appear super-effective in preventing serious illness and death?
Just curious...
IMO this does not fall under misinformation.
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It matters to meThat doesn't matter.