Covid vaccine. Who took it, who didn't?

[Trailblazer]

What I find even more interesting is how you attack the messenger and completely ignore the message.

Who said that I ignored the message? I heard every word of it, in between his smirking and casting aspersions on the character of Geert Vanden Bossche, which is unbecoming of any professional.

Now I will watch the other video and see if what he said about Geert Vanden Bossche is actually true.
The Baha'i Faith teaches independent investigation of truth, so we are never supposed to believe what people say without a proper investigation that we conduct ourselves.

 

[Quagmire]

I'm planning on getting the shot as soon as I can.

I also figure if there are risks, why shouldn't I be the one taking those. Somebody has to.

 

[Trailblazer]

I also figure if there are risks, why shouldn't I be the one taking those. Somebody has to.

Towards what end?

 

[Quagmire]

Towards what end?

Towards verifying whether or not it's safe.

 

[Trailblazer]

For anyone still undecided, please try to watch at least the last 20 minutes of this video..

Starting at around 21:00 min.

Try to grasp and consider what this guy is saying.

Just listen to the last half.

I listened to the whole video and I will listen to it again as soon as I have time. I am no medical expert and not trained in the biological sciences but I don't have to be to understand logic, which was a subject in which I excelled in college.

I believe in the independent investigation of truth because that is an important principle of my religion, and as such I think everyone should watch this video before they form an opinion. This is a very important subject because this virus and the way we are going about trying to eradicate it could affect the future of humanity. This man is no fanatic and he is not anti-vaccine, so people do themselves a great disservice to assume that is the case based solely upon their own confirmation bias.

I am posting this video again so people can watch it.

 

[Trailblazer]

Towards verifying whether or not it's safe.

How do you think that your taking it is going to verify that?
I do think that safety is the main issue with this vaccine, nor is efficacy in mitigating symptoms on individuals.

The danger is not the immediate side effects, the danger is what it does to your immune system.
If you want to see the whole picture and what the so-called experts are not telling you I recommend you watch the video I just posted.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Towards verifying whether or not it's safe.

You're taking it cause you want to confirm (to yourself?) it's safe?

I've never been one to go through clinical trials, but that sounds like confirming doubt.

 

[Quagmire]

You're taking it cause you want to confirm (to yourself?) it's safe?

No.

 

[Deeje]

We in Australia are very fortunate to have very few Covid cases because our response to any case is immediate and with very strict protocols. Our latest case is another returning overseas traveler, which it seems is the main source of our infections. This man has the South African strain and he is in a critical condition.

So far we have the original Covid 19 from China...a UK strain, a Brazilian strain, and a Sth African strain.
How many more variants will surface is anyone's guess....but if we have to have a different shot for every strain of the flu, doesn't that mean that Covid variants will need the same? Last years flu shot is not effective against this year's flu strain.....how can we have confidence in the vaccine that is currently being promoted?

 

[Quagmire]

How do you think that your taking it is going to verify that?

Seriously, what kind of question is that?

Put it this way: if I take the vaccine and I drop dead, it's not safe.

If I take the vaccine and I don't have any ill effects, it's safe.

Now multiply that by everybody who's taken the vaccine so far

I do think that safety is the main issue with this vaccine, nor is efficacy in mitigating symptoms on individuals.

The danger is not the immediate side effects, the danger is what it does to your immune system.
If you want to see the whole picture and what the so-called experts are not telling you I recommend you watch the video I just posted.

No way am I going to watch a 44 minute video based on this guy's claims: Geert Vanden Bossche Stokes Fear of COVID-19 Vaccine To Promote His Own Flawed ‘Solution’

I'm not interested in the whole picture. Just the parts of it that aren't done in crayon.

I'm also going to remind you that the covid misinformation policy is still in effect, and posting misinformation about the vaccine --- and I think this qualifies --- is covered by that policy.

New Policy Regarding Posting Misinformation About COVID-19

 

[Trailblazer]

The Doomsday Prophecy of Dr. Geert Vanden Bossche

Why Vanden Bossche Is Wrong About COVID Vaccines​

Who on this forum actually took the time to watch both videos and compare what these men were saying?

I watched the video you posted and the I watched the Geert Vanden Bossche video, and then I watched the video you posted again. So now I know that the man in your video misrepresented Geert Vanden Bossche in order to promote his own platform. Some of what he said was true, but not all of it, and he greatly exaggerated what Geert Vanden Bossche actually said. He also called him an anti-vaxxer which is absolutely false.

Some people will do anything to try to win an argument, but if he is so sure he is right, he would not have to attack the character of the other person, he would stick to the facts. Geert Vanden Bossche did not attack anyone. It was obvious he is a sincere person. Whether or not he is right or wrong everyone has to decide for themselves.

 

[Subduction Zone]

We in Australia are very fortunate to have very few Covid cases because our response to any case is immediate and with very strict protocols. Our latest case is another returning overseas traveler, which it seems is the main source of our infections. This man has the South African strain and he is in a critical condition.

So far we have the original Covid 19 from China...a UK strain, a Brazilian strain, and a Sth African strain.
How many more variants will surface is anyone's guess....but if we have to have a different shot for every strain of the flu, doesn't that mean that Covid variants will need the same? Last years flu shot is not effective against this year's flu strain.....how can we have confidence in the vaccine that is currently being promoted?

The flu varies much more due to the evolutionary cycles it goes through every year. Before it hits us again it has jumped through both birds and swine, each jump involves changes. By the time it gets back to us there are usually enough differences that last years flu vaccine does not work any longer. The Covid-19 virus has just been transmitted mostly between people so far. The changes are variants but they are not large enough so that vaccines do not work.

How Flu Viruses Can Change

 

[Trailblazer]

Seriously, what kind of question is that?

Put it this way: if I take the vaccine and I drop dead, it's not safe.

If I take the vaccine and I don't have any ill effects, it's safe.

Now multiply that by everybody who's taken the vaccine so far

Everyone who has taken the vaccine so far.... Logic does not work that way.
Besides, as I said it is not the side effects that are problematic.

No way am I going to watch a 44 minute video based on this guy's claims: Geert Vanden Bossche Stokes Fear of COVID-19 Vaccine To Promote His Own Flawed ‘Solution’

Don't then, it's your life.

I'm not interested in the whole picture.

That says a lot right there.

I'm also going to remind you that the covid misinformation policy is still in effect, and posting misinformation about the vaccine --- and I think this qualifies --- is covered by that policy.

New Policy Regarding Posting Misinformation About COVID-19

I was not the person who originally posted that video, it was posted by:
#89 Dave Watchman, Today at 1:02 PM

Just because you do not agree with the information that does not mean it is misinformation.
It is just one man''s expert opinion against other expert opinions.
All you have is a personal opinion about which one is right unless you can prove one of them is wrong.

 

[Quagmire]

Everyone who has taken the vaccine so far....Logic does not work that way.
Besides, as I said it is not the side effects they are problematic.

Don't then, it's your life.

Exactly, and I'm not going to waste 44 minutes of it on nonsense.

That says a lot right there.

I'm sure in your mind it says whatever you need it to say. Especially if you leave out the parts of my post you don't like.

I was not the person who originally posted that video, it was posted by:
#89 Dave Watchman, Today at 1:02 PM

And?

Just because you do not agree with the information that does not mean it is misinformation.

No, but for the purposes of the forum's policy, which apparently I'm not going to be able to get you to read, posting anything that runs counter to the positions taken by the CDC or the World Health Organization qualifies as misinformation here.

It is just one man''s expert opinion . . .

Or, for all we know, a cheap bid for his 15 minutes of fame. He wouldn't be the first person over the course of this pandemic to exploit the fear and gullibility of the masses for their own gain.

against other expert opinions.
All you have is a personal opinion about which one is right unless you can prove one of them is wrong.

Well, there's also common sense . . .

 

[Unveiled Artist]

No.

What did you mean?

 

[Quagmire]

What did you mean?

Imagine a world where other people matter, and then go read post #144 again.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Imagine a world where other people matter, and then go read post #144 again.

It was a simple question. If you're taking it to verify it's safe, it sounds like maybe you're testing it on yourself to know it's safe others?

I know others say they do it for others, because they are already sick, cause they are older, or maybe cause they live in a heavy population.

Those reasons are justified.

But I was wondering if you're taking this to somewhat convince yourself it's safe.

I didn't read 144 cause I just was curious no need to debate.

 

[Trailblazer]

I'm sure in your mind it says whatever you need it to say.

It says what you said:
"I'm not interested in the whole picture. Just the parts of it that aren't done in crayon."
What was done on crayon?

No, but for the purposes of the forum's policy, which apparently I'm not going to be able to get you to read, posting anything that runs counter to the positions taken by the CDC or the World Health Organization qualifies as misinformation here.

I read it. The CDC and the WHO certainly is not the 'whole picture.'
That is like saying we can only talk about certain religions. Tell me how it is any different? It is censorship.

Or, for all we know, a cheap bid for his 15 minutes of fame. He wouldn't be the first person over the course of this pandemic to exploit the fear and gullibility of the masses for their own gain.

For all we know... How can we know anything unless we look at it?
How do you know he wants fame? How do you know that he is exploiting the fear and gullibility of the masses for their own gain? Do you even know what he stands to gain? Have you researched what he is presenting or do you just assume you know what his motives are?

Well, there's also common sense . . .

That is what I am using now, after having looked at BOTH sides.
I am not going to just jump on the vaccine out of fear or so I can get back to normal life. I value my health more than that.

 

[Quagmire]

It says what you said:
"I'm not interested in the whole picture. Just the parts of it that aren't done in crayon."
What was done on crayon?

Okay first off, this thread isn't in a debate forum it's in a discussion forum.

If you want to pick apart people's posts, you should do it in a thread that's designed for that.

I read it. The CDC and the WHO certainly is not the 'whole picture.'
That is like saying we can only talk about certain religions. Tell me how it is any different? It is censorship.

Secondly, that policy has been in effect for over a year. You're a part of this community. If you disagree with the policy, if you think it's outdated, needs to be revised, whatever, you would need to go start a thread in Site Feedback to that effect.

Just spontaneously deciding it's a bad policy because it happens to be inconvenient for you personally at the moment isn't going to cut it.

We're not children.

For all we know... How can we know anything unless we look at it?

We can't, that was my point.

How do you know he wants fame? How do you know that he is exploiting the fear and gullibility of the masses for their own gain? Do you even know what he stands to gain? Have you researched what he is presenting or do you just assume you know what his motives are?

I never said I knew any of that. I'm just saying, you don't know what his motives are either.

Just because he's technically qualified to have an opinion, it doesn't automatically follow that he's using his qualifications responsibly.

That is what I am using now, after having looked at BOTH sides.
I am not going to just jump on the vaccine out of fear or so I can get back to normal life. I value my health more than that.

There's more at stake here than your health.

Our society can't afford to be on lockdown much longer. A lot of the damage that's already been done may be irrepairable.

I don't have blind faith in this vaccine.
I certainly don't have blind faith in the mainstream medical community or big pharma: as a matter of fact I have a pretty strong distrust for both of these institutions, and with good personal reason.

I realize there are risks to this vaccine, probably many that we aren't even aware of yet.

But, as things stand, looking at the big picture, risks need to be taken. And all things considered I think the risks are small here.

As a senior member of my society I feel a responsibility to be one of the people taking the risks, whatever risks there are.

If you would rather sit on the sidelines and see what happens to the rest of us before taking it yourself, you certainly have that option.

 

[We Never Know]

Okay first off, this thread isn't in a debate forum it's in a discussion forum.

If you want to pick apart people's posts, you should do it in a thread that's designed for that.



Secondly, that policy has been in effect for over a year. You're a part of this community. If you disagree with the policy, if you think it's outdated, needs to be revised, whatever, you would need to go start a thread in Site Feedback to that effect.

Just spontaneously deciding it's a bad policy because it happens to be inconvenient for you personally at the moment isn't going to cut it.

We're not children.



We can't, that was my point.



I never said I knew any of that. I'm just saying, you don't know what his motives are either.

Just because he's technically qualified to have an opinion, it doesn't automatically follow that he's using his qualifications responsibly.



There's more at stake here than your health.

Our society can't afford to be on lockdown much longer. A lot of the damage that's already been done may be irrepairable.

I don't have blind faith in this vaccine.
I certainly don't have blind faith in the mainstream medical community or big pharma: as a matter of fact I have a pretty strong distrust for both of these institutions, and with good personal reason.

I realize there are risks to this vaccine, probably many that we aren't even aware of yet.

But, as things stand, looking at the big picture, risks need to be taken. And all things considered I think the risks are small here.

As a senior member of my society I feel a responsibility to be one of the people taking the risks, whatever risks there are.

If you would rather sit on the sidelines and see what happens to the rest of us before taking it yourself, you certainly have that option.

I've been thinking of just posting any thread's I make in a debate forum. It seems to always end up that way lol