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Covid vaccine. Who took it, who didn't?

have you taken the covid vaccine and trust in it

  • yes, I trust it

    Votes: 26 68.4%
  • no, I don't trust it

    Votes: 9 23.7%
  • undecided

    Votes: 3 7.9%

  • Total voters
    38

Left Coast

This Is Water
Staff member
Premium Member
That is untrue what you say here

Normally vaccines are tested for 1 decade or more. Obviously to know about long term effect. This obviously has not been done.

This objection has been answered, with links. What I said is correct. Please read through the thread.

Hence the manifacturers refuse to take responsibility when things go wrong (I heard them say this a few month ago). So, you take the vaccine, fine, but they guarantee till the the point that the vaccine enters your body.

I understand this of course. They had not the usual 10 to 20 years to see long term effect. So obviously no long term guarantee, just 60 minutes or so, until you leave the hospital :D (probably you have to pay yourself in case trouble hit the fan) I do love Russian roulette, so it has a certain charm. Sai Baba always said "Love My uncertainty"

IF they had full faith in the vaccines, they would take full responsibility. In Holland Big Pharma talked with the government, that the goverment has to take all responsibility, at least BP won't.

Corporations not taking responsibility for the products they produce is a problem across the board, that goes far beyond vaccines. However, we're not just taking corporations' say-so that vaccines are safe. In all developed countries there is a governmental process for determining safety and approving vaccine usage.
 

Altfish

Veteran Member
I go grocery shopping twice a week at closing time when there are about two people in the store.
The requirement is masks and six feet apart.
Now how am I a danger to other people?
You could be carrying the disease and be asymptomatic. You can pass the virus by touch, masks are not 100% safe. The 6' rule is ok, but it is not always in your control.

Get the jab, it is safer
 

Left Coast

This Is Water
Staff member
Premium Member
All the pro-vaccine people who are trying to tell people they 'should' get the vaccine are swerving into the lane of those who don't want the vaccine.

As usual, those of us who are in the minority are always being put in a position of having to defend ourselves, as if we committed some kind of crime.

I never claimed anyone committed a crime by not getting a vaccine. I will of course encourage people who can, to get the vaccine, because I want people not to get terribly sick and die if it can be prevented. I know, I'm so awful!
 

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
Koran updated NT, and Baha'u'llah the Koran, or not? Or was Koran just another Scripture for another group. I mean, in those days they did not have internet and stuff, so God send His Messengers all over the place. Now with internet all have the opportunity to know
Yes, I believe that the Koran updated the New Testament. I was going to include the Koran but I was trying to be brief and skip that step because the Writings of Baha'u'llah updated both the New Testament and the Koran. When I say updated I mean shed new light on and renew, I do not mean do away with or replace.

Matthew 24:35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.

The same applies to the scriptures of all the great world religions.
 

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
You could be carrying the disease and be asymptomatic. You can pass the virus by touch, masks are not 100% safe. The 6' rule is ok, but it is not always in your control.
And I could get in an auto accident and get killed next time I go out.
If I lived in fear of everything that might happen I might as well stop living.
Get the jab, it is safer
Time will tell.
 

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
I never claimed anyone committed a crime by not getting a vaccine. I will of course encourage people who can, to get the vaccine, because I want people not to get terribly sick and die if it can be prevented. I know, I'm so awful!
I know your heart is in the right place but don't you think that they can figure that out for themselves? It is all over the news.
I just do not believe the risk is that great but the media sure did a good job of convincing most people.
Facts and statistics can always be twisted.

The real fun part begins when the vaccine campaign backfires and the so-called experts have to eat crow. It is already happening.
On the other hand, the vaccine campaign was the lesser of evils and it had to be done to stop the spread.
 
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Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
I don't know who is saying that any more. There are too many reports of young people, even a few children dying or becoming disabled from it.
To my knowledge, many on the Right have not stopped beating that drum. And they've beat so long and so hard that sometimes the news will appear shocked even young children have become chronically ill and have died. But it shouldn't come as a surprise. We've known that for a long time now. But still the drum continues to beat out the same lies.
 

Left Coast

This Is Water
Staff member
Premium Member
I know your heart is in the right place but don't you think that they can figure that out for themselves? It is all over the news.

Given the amazing amount of misinformation people put out there, and people's general media illiteracy, no, in many cases I don't think they can.

The real fun part begins when the vaccine campaign backfires and the so-called experts have to eat crow. It is already happening.

How so? The vaccines have been highly effective and safe.
 

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
Given the amazing amount of misinformation people put out there, and people's general media illiteracy, no, in many cases I don't think they can.
So, what's the solution, trying to convince them of your position?
We have seen how well that works with religious beliefs. ;)
How so? The vaccines have been highly effective and safe.
Maybe so far, but the future cannot be known until it arrives.
 

McBell

mantra-chanting henotheistic snake handler
I vote no.

I'm still watching how this all plays out.

I follow a virologist from Europe who has a theory that the mass vaccination campaigns are what is "driving" the new mutations. He theorizes that sars-cov-2 is actually being "trained" by the newly vaccinated host, in a similar way as to how we've seen the virus mutate in an immunocompromised patient over a multi day span prior to his death.

He's an interesting scientific read.

Check his credentials.

Geert Vanden Bossche (DVM, PhD)

Geert Vanden Bossche received his DVM from the University of Ghent, Belgium, and his PhD degree in Virology from the University of Hohenheim, Germany. He held adjunct faculty appointments at universities in Belgium and Germany. After his career in Academia, Geert joined several vaccine companies (GSK Biologicals, Novartis Vaccines, Solvay Biologicals) to serve various roles in vaccine R&D as well as in late vaccine development.

Geert then moved on to join the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation’s Global Health Discovery team in Seattle (USA) as Senior Program Officer; he then worked with the Global Alliance for Vaccines and Immunization (GAVI) in Geneva as Senior Ebola Program Manager. At GAVI he tracked efforts to develop an Ebola vaccine. He also represented GAVI in fora with other partners, including WHO, to review progress on the fight against Ebola and to build plans for global pandemic preparedness.

Back in 2015, Geert scrutinized and questioned the safety of the Ebola vaccine that was used in ring vaccination trials conducted by WHO in Guinea. His critical scientific analysis and report on the data published by WHO in the Lancet in 2015 was sent to all international health and regulatory authorities involved in the Ebola vaccination program.

After working for GAVI, Geert joined the German Center for Infection Research in Cologne as Head of the Vaccine Development Office. He is at present primarily serving as a Biotech/ Vaccine consultant while also conducting his own research on Natural Killer cell-based vaccines.​

Unreal.

He is smart.

I'm happy to consider his updates for free:

As ongoing mass vaccination campaigns are shifting the ‘reservoir’ of viral transmission to asymptomatically infected subjects (whether vaccinated or not),the likelihood for unvaccinated, previously asymptomatically infected subjects to experience re-infection with Sars-CoV-2 while being endowed with suboptimal and short-lived ant-S Abs substantially increases.

This is to say that within the population that is now most actively involved in viral transmission, new, spontaneously emerging S variants have plenty of opportunity to train under suboptimal immune pressure such as to ultimately adapt to the human host and become part of the dominant circulating Sars-Cov-2 population.

This is how - after initial breeding of selected viral variants as a direct result of infection prevention measures - subsequent mass vaccination campaigns will drive enhanced circulation of additional, more infectious viral S variants. ‘Training’ of such more infectious immune escape variants is thought to be reflected by the plateau that follows the vaccine-mediated decline in cases and the height of which exceeds the one following the previous wave of cases.

As mass vaccination campaigns have started in the vulnerable population, not only vaccinated subjects but also not yet vaccinated younger age groups will become a breeding ground for new infectious variants. There can be no doubt that continued mass vaccination campaigns will enable new, more infectious viral variants to become increasingly dominant and ultimately result in a dramatic incline in new cases despite enhanced vaccine coverage rates.

There can be no doubt either that this situation will soon lead to complete resistance of circulating variants to the current vaccines. This is certainly not what would be expected by those who claim that enhanced and accelerated mass vaccination is going to diminish circulation of new dominant variants and will, therefore, further reduce viral infection rates and flatten morbidity and mortality curves.

https://www.geertvandenbossche.org/

He thinks we should know fairly soon, 2 to 4 weeks.

Depending on the jurisdiction.

My jurisdiction is doing it by age, patience grasshopper, I'm still too young.

Yee Ha.

Giddy Up.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
And I could get in an auto accident and get killed next time I go out.
The odds of that are vastly lower than contracting and dying from covid.
Car crash deaths in America: 11.2 deaths per 100,000 people.
https://dying.lovetoknow.com/death-cultures-around-world/odds-dying-car-crash-real-facts
Covid-19 deaths in America:169.57 deaths per 100,000 people.
Mortality Analyses - Johns Hopkins Coronavirus Resource Center
Another way to put the odds into perspective and how the risks of the vaccines really are much lower:
Tobacco related deaths in America: 75.61 per 100,000 people.
Smoking
 

We Never Know

No Slack
I never claimed anyone committed a crime by not getting a vaccine. I will of course encourage people who can, to get the vaccine, because I want people not to get terribly sick and die if it can be prevented. I know, I'm so awful!

You're not awful. But keep in mind to achieve herd immunity not everyone has to get the vaccine. For example herd immunity against measles says about 95% of a population needs to be vaccinates. For polio, its even less at about 80%.
However the % of the population that must be vaccinated against COVID-19 to begin inducing herd immunity is not known.

The US got hit so hard mainly because people turned it political and thought it was a hoax. Some still think its a hoax. Even some of our government leaders portrayed it as a hoax.
 

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
I watched the video. I find it ironic that he is calling Geert Vanden Bossche arrogant when it is obvious he is the arrogant one. Anyone who cannot see that needs to take a psychology course. It is called projection.

Psychological projection is a theory in psychology in which humans defend themselves against their own unconscious impulses or qualities (both positive and negative) by denying their existence in themselves while attributing them to others.[1] For example, a person who is habitually rude may constantly accuse other people of being rude. It incorporates blame shifting.

Psychological projection - Wikipedia

I have not see the video with the interview of Geert Vanden Bossche yet so I will reserve judgment until I see it what he is actually claiming.
 

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
The odds of that are vastly lower than contracting and dying from covid.
Car crash deaths in America: 11.2 deaths per 100,000 people.
https://dying.lovetoknow.com/death-cultures-around-world/odds-dying-car-crash-real-facts
Covid-19 deaths in America:169.57 deaths per 100,000 people.
Mortality Analyses - Johns Hopkins Coronavirus Resource Center
Another way to put the odds into perspective and how the risks of the vaccines really are much lower:
Tobacco related deaths in America: 75.61 per 100,000 people.
Smoking
These statistics do not prove anything about the odds of ME getting Covid.. I cannot get Covid unless I am exposed to someone who has it and they sneeze, cough, or breathe on me and given my present lifestyle the odds are slim to none.

If other people are afraid that is their own business, but I was never afraid of Covid from day one.
Telling me I 'should' be afraid is not going to make me afraid.
 

Left Coast

This Is Water
Staff member
Premium Member
So, what's the solution, trying to convince them of your position?
We have seen how well that works with religious beliefs. ;)

I'm more concerned with the people who read the exchange, not necessarily the anti-vaxxer themselves. Most of them are too far gone into conspiracy to reason with.

Maybe so far, but the future cannot be known until it arrives.

Well that's true of everything. Your car could blow up the next time you put the key in the ignition.
 

McBell

mantra-chanting henotheistic snake handler
I watched the video. I find it ironic that he is calling Geert Vanden Bossche arrogant when it is obvious he is the arrogant one. Anyone who cannot see that needs to take a psychology course. It is called projection.

Psychological projection is a theory in psychology in which humans defend themselves against their own unconscious impulses or qualities (both positive and negative) by denying their existence in themselves while attributing them to others.[1] For example, a person who is habitually rude may constantly accuse other people of being rude. It incorporates blame shifting.

Psychological projection - Wikipedia

I have not see the video with the interview of Geert Vanden Bossche yet so I will reserve judgment until I see it what he is actually claiming.
What I find even more interesting is how you attack the messenger and completely ignore the message.
 

Left Coast

This Is Water
Staff member
Premium Member
You're not awful. But keep in mind to achieve herd immunity not everyone has to get the vaccine. For example herd immunity against measles says about 95% of a population needs to be vaccinates. For polio, its even less at about 80%.

I understand that. I don't expect every single person on earth to get the vaccine. There are some people who can't, for medical reasons. Others who won't have access to it. Etc. If someone isn't getting it because they believe some bull**** about how it contains a microchip or is going to have some awful side effect or that COVID really isn't that bad or any other variety of nonsense, though, I do have an issue with that.

The US got hit so hard mainly because people turned it political and thought it was a hoax. Some still think its a hoax. Even some of our government leaders portrayed it as a hoax.

That's true.
 
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