Evolution is a fact?!

[ratiocinator]

Otoh, there are no photos of evolution and no written documents portraying that it occurred in any responsible, literal way before, during or after evolution occurred.

Nor would we expect any, but there is plentiful other evidence that it did occur (and which you continue to ignore).

Genetic similarities have nothing to do with evolution.

Genetic similarities provide (all by themselves) copious amounts of evidence that evolution occurred. It's not just that genomes are similar between species, it's the exact way in which they match ('fossil genes' are just as, or more, important than literal fossils in the ground).

Here is a relatively short article about just that, mostly in regard to humans and their closest relatives, which, IIRC, you've already ignored at least once: Genesis and the Genome: Genomics Evidence for Human-Ape Common Ancestry and Ancestral Hominid Population Sizes (pdf).

Unless you're prepared to learn about the evidence, blanket denials like "genetic similarities have nothing to do with evolution", carry no weight at all.

 

[Astrophile]

It's a FACT that Albert Einstein existed. No theoretical explanation needed for his existence. That's a fact.

What a strange thing to say. Didn't you, as a child, ask your parents for an explanation of your existence? Haven't your children asked you for an explanation of their existence? Do you think that Albert Einstein never asked his parents for an explanation of his existence?

There are various explanations for Einstein's existence. Perhaps his parents had sexual intercourse during mid-June 1878. Perhaps he came into existence by spontaneous generation. Perhaps a stork flew down from heaven and dropped him down the chimney of a house in Ulm. Perhaps God created him out of nothing, or out of dirt. Perhaps God took one of Einstein's mother's ribs while she was asleep and fashioned it into a child.

No doubt you can think of other explanations. However, most of us are likely to think that Einstein owed his existence to his parents' sexual intercourse. Some of us also think that, in essentials, this process, repeated many times, explains the observed succession of fossils. Have you got any reason for thinking that one of the other explanations gives a better account either of Einstein's existence or of the fossil succession?

 

[Bear Wild]

I can't prove to you what is there and you don't want to believe. Otoh, there are no photos of evolution and no written documents portraying that it occurred in any responsible, literal way before, during or after evolution occurred. Genetic similarities have nothing to do with evolution.

Genetic similarities have everything to do with evolution. People are using their genetics to trace their ancestry because of genetic similarities. Extend that farther and you have the genetic proof of evolution.

Evolution is a process so saying there are no photos is showing ignorance to the process. As for documents, we have documents of species that no longer exist and as in the case of the Galapagos finches evidence of the process of evolution occurring. Humans have only been recording detailed information on animals for only a short time in evolutionary history. Studies with bacteria which multiply at much faster rate than mammals do show genetic shifting.

There is evidence for new genetic variation in humans such as the gene mutation for a super effective high density lipoprotein which recycles cholesterol and prevents plaque formation for heart disease discovered in world war two then later found to have originated in the town of Milan Italy. So yes there is evidence.

During of after evolution occurred is again a misunderstanding of the theory. It is a constant continuous process.

 

[SkepticThinker]

So you figure. Anyway, have a nice day.

It doesn't. Read it.

 

[SkepticThinker]

There does? Obviously our thought processes and minds do not work alike. What's the end of infinity? lol...so I guess in your mind there must be a distinct start to infinity? Yeah - something starts that never has an end in some minds

It was your assertion that "there has to be evidence for the start."
That poster was just throwing it back at you.

In other words, that poster was using the logic from your very own thought process and assertion to pose a question to you about that thought process and assertion.
So saying "obviously our thought processes and minds do not work alike" in response to that post doesn't make any sense, when that person was throwing your very own thought process back at you.

 

[tas8831]

Otoh, there are no photos of evolution and no written documents portraying that it occurred in any responsible, literal way before, during or after evolution occurred.

There are no photos of creation and no written documents portraying that it occurred in any responsible, literal way before, during or after creation occurred.

Genetic similarities have nothing to do with evolution.

Troll.

 

[Astrophile]

Without getting into mysticism, it's a FACT if I see a cat coming to my door. The fact is: I saw the cat. Want to fight with that?

No, I do not want to fight with it. However, it is also a fact that you have not answered my questions, and that fact also needs an explanation.

 

[YoursTrue]

It was your assertion that "there has to be evidence for the start."
That poster was just throwing it back at you.

In other words, that poster was using the logic from your very own thought process and assertion to pose a question to you about that thought process and assertion.
So saying "obviously our thought processes and minds do not work alike" in response to that post doesn't make any sense, when that person was throwing your very own thought process back at you.

The only way a person can understand the Bible is if God opens it up for him. And since that apparently won't happen for some, then it is safe to assume that the logic about something (like the universe) starting from nothing -- or life, starting from -- nonlife -- is distant in understanding.

 

[YoursTrue]

What a strange thing to say. Didn't you, as a child, ask your parents for an explanation of your existence?

OK, I'll answer your question, if I can, to the best of my ability.
No, I never asked my parents for an explanation of my existence.

Do you think that Albert Einstein never asked his parents for an explanation of his existence?

I have no idea, and frankly, I doubt it. But if I see Albert Einstein, and I remember your question, or if it comes up in a conversation, I'll try to bring it up.

There are various explanations for Einstein's existence. Perhaps his parents had sexual intercourse during mid-June 1878. Perhaps he came into existence by spontaneous generation. Perhaps a stork flew down from heaven and dropped him down the chimney of a house in Ulm. Perhaps God created him out of nothing, or out of dirt. Perhaps God took one of Einstein's mother's ribs while she was asleep and fashioned it into a child.

OK, now I see you're going off on a deep end, and as much respect as I have for Albert Enstein's thinking ability, I'll stop here with your queries.

 

[Subduction Zone]

The only way a person can understand the Bible is if God opens it up for him. And since that apparently won't happen for some, then it is safe to assume that the logic about something (like the universe) starting from nothing -- or life, starting from -- nonlife -- is distant in understanding.

This is a false claim that is mostly made by literalists. How do we know it is false? Because all of the people that "had the Bible opened for them" have such extremely different interpretations of the Bible

If God actually opened it up for people there should be just one consistent interpretation.

 

[YoursTrue]

It doesn't. Read it.

OK, here's a few thoughts for you to contemplate, and why--:
"Every formula which expresses a law of nature is a hymn of praise to God,” Maria Mitchell, the astonomer, wrote. And a century later, Carl Sagan (I knew his cousin well) wrestled with the same question before his death: He said, “The notion that science and spirituality are somehow mutually exclusive does a disservice to both.”
Perhaps they'll both figure it out in time. I don't blame Carl Sagan that he didn't believe in God. I didn't believe in God either until...later...

 

[F1fan]

The only way a person can understand the Bible is if God opens it up for him.

So you're blaming God for those who don't understand the Bible? It's not people's fault, it's God's fault. Let's just make this clear for all to see who you are blaming so people are off the hook, and God know you said this.

And since that apparently won't happen for some, then it is safe to assume that the logic about something (like the universe) starting from nothing -- or life, starting from -- nonlife -- is distant in understanding.

Certainly you're not going to confuse reason with religious belief and faith, are you? Only creationists are saying things started from nothing. The Big Bang started from existing matter, the singularity. So you seem critical of the creationist assumption.

 

[rational experiences]

In ancient times giant large cold blooded beasts roamed earth in a Hot gas atmosphere.

A hot dense state. Evil spirits lived in a heated God O earth heavenly body with the tree garden.

No bio red cells.

Evolution was in heaven by God with souls says everyone.

So you say God in heavens evolved life as the soul taught me.

The heavens were evil.

Evil beast life changed life and spirit gas by ice newly born. New born ice returned earths origin life back to the nature garden. The garden was supporting the beast life first. Evil beasts.

Holy highest water spirit reborn end of every year.

A human teaching. Ice.

Movement of the spirit gases of cooling swirling rotating soul movement in a cooled heavens was taught returned as O rotating into spiral motions cooling. O G a swirl. Back to O holy GoD. Heavenly bodily movement as explained in heavenly advice of the soul motion cooling allowing our red celled blooded life to exist.

As basic a teaching is O splits into DD back to OO as natural flow movement in the heavens.

The beast life says a spirit assessment human psyche never owned a soul.

What father told me to remind you what was said about the heavenly spirit body itself. Just an explanation not owned in any condition by human scientists.

Once and for all scientist brother. You lied.

 

[YoursTrue]

So you're blaming God for those who don't understand the Bible?

Part of that would be because of one's indoctrination or heart condition or desire to know God. God is not obliged to teach everyone step by step about Him. I didn't always believe there was a God. Seek and you shall find. And that goes with almost anything. If you want something, you usually look for it.

It's not people's fault, it's God's fault. Let's just make this clear for all to see who you are blaming so people are off the hook, and God know you said this.

People can blame God for a lot of things. What do you hope would not happen, in other words, if evolution is true, and there is no God, what do you not like about life? Would you blame evolution for those things?

Certainly you're not going to confuse reason with religious belief and faith, are you? Only creationists are saying things started from nothing. The Big Bang started from existing matter, the singularity. So you seem critical of the creationist assumption.

There is nothing to show that (1) the universe began with a big bang, and (2) that it started from matter. So you're saying that matter always existed?? Without beginning and possibility without end??

 

[Subduction Zone]

There is nothing to show that (1) the universe began with a big bang, and (2) that it started from matter. So you're saying that matter always existed?? Without beginning and possibility without end??

Why don't you study a bit of science instead of making such patently false claims?

 

[Hockeycowboy]

We don't do this - well, hopefully not:

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(I couldn't resist!)

 

[ratiocinator]

The only way a person can understand the Bible is if God opens it up for him.

Oh, and let me try a wild guess here: the people who "God has opened the bible to" are exactly the same people who agree with your interpretation of it...?

No true Scotsman.

 

[F1fan]

Part of that would be because of one's indoctrination or heart condition or desire to know God. God is not obliged to teach everyone step by step about Him. I didn't always believe there was a God. Seek and you shall find. And that goes with almost anything. If you want something, you usually look for it.

There's no evidence that any gods actually teach people any religious ideas. It is other religious people who teach religious ideas to other people. And of course some folks find religious concepts inconsistent with facts and reason so reject these ideas. Religious people are notorious for failing to provide evidence that their religious beliefs are factual and rational, so it's easy to reject these ideas. Let's note that Christians or Muslims will reject Hindu beliefs, so this is an easy example for you to understand.

People can blame God for a lot of things. What do you hope would not happen, in other words, if evolution is true, and there is no God, what do you not like about life? Would you blame evolution for those things?

OK, explain why children can be born with deadly genetic faults. For example a client's 3 year old daughter was diagnosed with Leukemia, and despite the efforts of doctors she died shortly after her 5th birthday. If evolution is wrong and God exists, then the blame falls on the all-knowing God. But evolution is an observed process, and no gods are known to exist, and we can conclude that the lottery of genetics means some people are born with faults, and may die young. It's tragic, but it happens with horses, cats, chickens, and even humans.

There is nothing to show that (1) the universe began with a big bang,

Well then it's good cosmologists have this knowledge. If you aren't informed on their work than that is your problem, and not for science. Get educated on the science, then make comments.

and (2) that it started from matter. So you're saying that matter always existed?? Without beginning and possibility without end??

Read Hawkings A Brief History of Time. That will explain what a singularity is, and how the Big Bang is a result of this super dense object. Your ignorance of science is YOUR problem.

 

[Astrophile]

OK, I'll answer your question, if I can, to the best of my ability.
No, I never asked my parents for an explanation of my existence.

That's odd; I remember asking my parents about the matter, and I always assumed that it was something that most children asked about.

I have no idea, and frankly, I doubt it. But if I see Albert Einstein, and I remember your question, or if it comes up in a conversation, I'll try to bring it up.

Thank-you; I shall await his answer with interest.

OK, now I see you're going off on a deep end, and as much respect as I have for Albert Einstein's thinking ability, I'll stop here with your queries.

It was you who first mentioned Einstein, although I don't know how his existence is relevant to the questions I asked in post 297.

Since you have been kind enough to answer the questions in the first two paragraphs of my post, would you also like to comment on the third paragraph?

 

[YoursTrue]

There's no evidence that any gods actually teach people any religious ideas. It is other religious people who teach religious ideas to other people. And of course some folks find religious concepts inconsistent with facts and reason so reject these ideas. Religious people are notorious for failing to provide evidence that their religious beliefs are factual and rational, so it's easy to reject these ideas. Let's note that Christians or Muslims will reject Hindu beliefs, so this is an easy example for you to understand.



OK, explain why children can be born with deadly genetic faults. For example a client's 3 year old daughter was diagnosed with Leukemia, and despite the efforts of doctors she died shortly after her 5th birthday. If evolution is wrong and God exists, then the blame falls on the all-knowing God. But evolution is an observed process, and no gods are known to exist, and we can conclude that the lottery of genetics means some people are born with faults, and may die young. It's tragic, but it happens with horses, cats, chickens, and even humans.




Well then it's good cosmologists have this knowledge. If you aren't informed on their work than that is your problem, and not for science. Get educated on the science, then make comments.


Read Hawkings A Brief History of Time. That will explain what a singularity is, and how the Big Bang is a result of this super dense object. Your ignorance of science is YOUR problem.

A couple of things here. As far as the sad occurrence with those born with defects such as leukemia, it happens. Yes, God allows these sad things to happen. And it is sad, whether a person believes in God or not. God did not cause these sad things to happen, but He permits it. What God did cause is death for humans and the currently onward progression towards death.
Hawkings is surmising what happened.