ajay0
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But why should he be coached ! Western religious beliefs have nothing of reincarnation in it unlike eastern religious beliefs, with which the west is at odds at !
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Four year old Australian boy claims to be the reincarnation of Princess Diana...
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But why should he be coached ! Western religious beliefs have nothing of reincarnation in it unlike eastern religious beliefs, with which the west is at odds at !
I taught for nearly 30 years. Tons of parents had that delusion, but not to the same degree. If I had a nickel for every time I said, "Yes your child is smart, but he's not exceptional." I got permission from a former student to use her written work (anonymously) to show them what exceptional looked like. That helped for a few, but not for most.
stvdv
Veteran Member: I Share (not Debate) my POV
Yes our ego is a tough cookie to give up. Tons of parents? I did not know it was that much I just saw it a few times (but I was not a teacher of course).
The Reverend Bob
Fart Machine and Beastmaster
To get media attention
ajay0
Well-Known Member
Again, why the need to get media attention on a belief predominant in India !
There are many other ways to get media attention like robbing a bank or escaping from prison or throwing eggs at controversial politicians and so on !
The Reverend Bob
Fart Machine and Beastmaster
I really don't know where you get this idea that the belief in reincarnation isn't known in the Western world because it is. Some 25% of Westerners believe in it, much to my dismay. Your pushing of this false narrative that since reincarnation is not known in the West therefore it must be true because some dumb kid is playing let's pretend is getting rather annoying in its illogic and its addlepated blinkhardedness. It you had BOTHERED to use google you could see that you insistence that Westerners don't believe in reincarnation was wrong. So why didn't you bother?
ajay0
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Well, I have come across many Christians in India who try to criticize Hindu teachings of reincarnation and so on. I felt this may be the prevalent belief in the west as well.
As you said. I still enjoy seeing physical evidence of the metaphysical myself (and probably because I spend so much more. time than you debating materialists). And I still find such things stimulating and mind boggling.
It is IMO useful to consider what would be the logical signs and consequences of a reincarnation.
Tibetan views seem to gravitate towards an expectation of some measure of memories of former lives and, perhaps, inheritance of previously achieved wisdom. They also seem to depict reincarnation as a rare thing, or at least as only meaningful in practical terms for very few people.
Leaving aside for a moment how convincing and how well evidenced those views may be or fail to be, the fact remains that, even if we accept them at face value, there is only so much that can be attributed to reincarnation, and ultimately the practical reality can't very well be challenged by such a belief. Whatever claims one might make or hear about previous or future lives, the present life is what it is and will not change to accomodate those expectations.
I don't quite know what the Hindu views are, but they seem to be a bit less supernaturalist from what I gather.
By contrast, Brazil's Kardecist Spiritism (which technically arose in 19th century France, but is now almost entirely Brazilian for practical purposes) has a very deterministic and supernaturalistic concept of reincarnation, and makes very bold and specific claims about its nature and consequences, including that literally everyone reincarnates after death, time and time again, ever gaining (and never losing) at least a small degree of advancement in their version of "spiritual evolution". It can be a dangerous, distracting belief that encourages one to be spiteful of actual, concrete facts.
Tibetan views seem to gravitate towards an expectation of some measure of memories of former lives and, perhaps, inheritance of previously achieved wisdom. They also seem to depict reincarnation as a rare thing, or at least as only meaningful in practical terms for very few people.
Leaving aside for a moment how convincing and how well evidenced those views may be or fail to be, the fact remains that, even if we accept them at face value, there is only so much that can be attributed to reincarnation, and ultimately the practical reality can't very well be challenged by such a belief. Whatever claims one might make or hear about previous or future lives, the present life is what it is and will not change to accomodate those expectations.
I don't quite know what the Hindu views are, but they seem to be a bit less supernaturalist from what I gather.
By contrast, Brazil's Kardecist Spiritism (which technically arose in 19th century France, but is now almost entirely Brazilian for practical purposes) has a very deterministic and supernaturalistic concept of reincarnation, and makes very bold and specific claims about its nature and consequences, including that literally everyone reincarnates after death, time and time again, ever gaining (and never losing) at least a small degree of advancement in their version of "spiritual evolution". It can be a dangerous, distracting belief that encourages one to be spiteful of actual, concrete facts.
ajay0
Well-Known Member
It differs from the Hindu version in that the soul is capable of progressing or regressing as per its choice of actions.
How does Spiritism, of French origin in the nineteenth century by Allan Kardec, come to the point where it rejects facts as you put it.
Indeed, that is not the case according to Kardecist doctrine; they make it very clear that spiritual evolution can only go forward and never regresses (according to them).
Word has it that there are other forms of Spiritism, some of which accept channeling but not reincarnation.
Kardec's variety, however, is very much about reincarnation. I am not even sure that it accepted channeling before arriving in Brazil, where it became incredibly popular and became strongly involved with channeling activities.
Brazil's mediums are not too far from actual celebrities and hold no small measure of political power, even if it is covert. Many people hesitate to admit that, mainly because there is a running myth that they are paragons of humility.
Trouble is, Spiritism is very much about offering ready-made, easy-to-accept answers and hope, going back all the way to Kardec himself saying outright that "death was a lie". There isn't really a lot of interest in actual religion there... nor in truth.
Nobody ever claims to be the reincarnated Henry VII's privy cleaner, either. It's very odd, really, since the immensely vast majority of humans who've ever lived have been of such lowly stuff, and yet not a single one of them ever shows up on the list of the reincarnated.
Aupmanyav
Be your own guru
IMHO, no parent should encourage such thoughts of their children. It can lead to problems in life later. Is that a beginning of gender confusion?
It is quite cold out there (72 K, −201 °C).
Most Hindus believe in deterministic reincarnation. You do good and you get a good form (Human, Yoni) and are born in better circumstancews. You do evil and your form (may be the worst you can think of, a snail) and circumstances will also be bad. I would say it is the "social theory of reincarnation", trying to make you do good rather than evil. It is not concerned with Gods but with society. In Hindu reincarnation, you may gain or loose equally.
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SugarOcean
¡pɹᴉǝM ʎɐʇS
Yeah, I'm the reincarnation of a multi-billionaire. I just wish I could remember the PIN number to my bank account.
Well, "4 year o!d claims to be reincarnation of Stan the refrigerator repairman" probably wouldn't make the headlines.
Not sure if you mean an illness rather than an accident, as occurred here, but she was alive for quite a while, with a rather unfortunate injury that didn't manifest itself - a tear in an important artery or vein - such that the doctors treating her didn't know her actual condition, didn't know how badly she was injured (she was conscious), and inevitably couldn't save her. Her wearing a seatbelt would have however.
Still, headlines can happen without searching for them. It's unusual. Generally in cases like this, the people approach the press, not the other way around.
Yeah, I forgot the details.
Koldo
Outstanding Member
The cake is a lie.
A lot of people in the west believe in reincarnation. It is a really common belief.
