ISIS Bride Wants To Return To Return To The U.S.

[esmith]

How can they do that? I don't know the law on stripping someone of their US citizenship. Where does Pompeo get the authority to do that?

Easy. From: https://bmkllp.com/newsletters/immigration/loss-of-citizenship-for-u-s-born-citizens/
INA § 349 states that a citizen, whether a U.S. citizen by birth or naturalization, shall lose his nationality by voluntarily performing certain acts with the intention of relinquishing United States nationality. The fact of intention is critical; it is not the mere performance of the actions mentioned in § 349. Seven types of conduct are currently listed in the INA as expatriate. The potentially expatriating acts are: (1) applying for and obtaining naturalization in a foreign country, provided the person is at least 18 years old; (2) making an oath of allegiance to a foreign country, provided the person is at least 18 years old; (3) serving in the military of a foreign country as a commissioned or noncommissioned officer or when the foreign state is engaged in hostilities against the United States; (4) serving in a foreign government position that requires an oath of allegiance to or the nationality of that foreign country, provided the person is at least 18 years old; (5) making a formal renunciation of U.S. citizenship to a consular officer outside of the United States; (6) making a formal renunciation of citizenship while in the United States and during time that the United States is involved in a war; and (7) conviction for treason or attempting by force to overthrow the U.S. government, including conspiracy convictions.

 

[Quetzal]

You think she's going to harm you? I'm pretty sure they have much more effective ways. She's just someone who lost her way. I think she should be let back.

What are you willing to bet that you are right?

 

[Revoltingest]

What are you willing to bet that you are right?

I'd ask "who" he's willing to bet.

On 2nd thought, no....he might bet us.

 

[Shad]

Classic SEP response.

(Somebody Else’s Problem)

Wrong. Keep projecting...

Now you could have asked me to explain my point but you didn't bother instead you like fiction in your head. Yawn.

 

[Shad]

But the current situation is this....
- She's a foreigner wanting to immigrate.
- You must decide if she will be a benefit
or a detriment to the country.

She claimed she had no remorse for her choice. Leave her in Syria.

 

[SomeRandom]

Americans are the strangest people. Someone tries to seek asylum legally and you lock them up indefinitely as a deterrent.

But an American citizen actually commits treason and you can’t be bothered to deal with it.

To be fair, other countries are denying former IS brides reentry too. Britain just denied its own bride, with said bride’s parents’ native homeland (she was born in the UK) Pakistan also refusing her citizen status. No one wants IS.

 

[Stanyon]

Joins an international terrorist organization and openly advocates for the murder of American citizens just a few years ago.
We need to be forgiving

Wears blackface as a teen
Lynch them!

Pretty FUBAR logic if you ask me, the divide is too great.
The war continues

 

[Revoltingest]

Joins an international terrorist organization and openly advocates for the murder of American citizens just a few years ago.
We need to be forgiving

Wears blackface as a teen
Lynch them!

Pretty FUBAR'd logic if you ask me, the divide is too great.
The war continues

I think that some people get confused about tolerance for Islam.
It should be limited to peaceful Muslims, not Islamic terrorists.

 

[fantome profane]

Joins an international terrorist organization and openly advocates for the murder of American citizens just a few years ago.
We need to be forgiving

Wears blackface as a teen
Lynch them!

Pretty FUBAR logic if you ask me, the divide is too great.
The war continues

I think that some people get confused about tolerance for Islam.
It should be limited to peaceful Muslims, not Islamic terrorists.

This is why I don’t understand why you guys want to let her off the hook.

 

[Notanumber]

The woman that wants to come to the UK wanted to live under Sharia law and one of the Islamic punishments for anyone who causes mischief is to be exiled.

 

[shunyadragon]

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Nah, just tried in absentia, find guilty of treason and her citizenship is revoked.

Best to extradite and convict.

 

[esmith]

Best to extradite and convict.

Nope, don't want the ***** in the country

 

[Revoltingest]

This is why I don’t understand why you guys want to let her off the hook.

I just don't want her out & about within the country.
This can be accomplished by denying entry or imprisoning her.
I prefer the former. It's cheaper.
I don't understand why you want her back here.
Do you have the hots for her?

 

[shunyadragon]

I just don't want her out & about within the country.
This can be accomplished by denying entry or imprisoning her.
I prefer the former. It's cheaper.
I don't understand why you want her back here.
Do you have the hots for her?

The hots for her extradition and conviction on treason.

 

[Shad]

If her citizenship is resolved in her favour she has the right to re-enter the US. She can be extradited legal as well.

 

[Shad]

This is why I don’t understand why you guys want to let her off the hook.

You know there are court systems which exist outside the USA right? If I commit a crime in Russia I do not suddenly get a right to a trial in the US.

 

[fantome profane]

I just don't want her out & about within the country.
This can be accomplished by denying entry or imprisoning her.
I prefer the former. It's cheaper.
I don't understand why you want her back here.
Do you have the hots for her?

You know there are court systems which exist outside the USA right? If I commit a crime in Russia I do not suddenly get a right to a trial in the US.

I am not sure I trust courts in the Middle East, And I don’t know if she will ever see one there.

And there have been similar situations with Canadian citizens doing bad things abroad and I have always argued they should be allowed or even forced to come back home. We take care of our own, good or bad. I think that is important.

And if she is tried and sent to prison in the U.S. that may be a deterrent to other potential ISIS brides.

 

[fantome profane]

You know there are court systems which exist outside the USA right? If I commit a crime in Russia I do not suddenly get a right to a trial in the US.

And by the way, if you commit a crime against the U.S., it doesn’t matter where you committed it. If you are in Russia any you break Russian law you will be tried in Russia. But if you are in Russia and you break U.S. law you should be tried in the U.S. courts. (If they can get you there).

 

[Shad]

I am not sure I trust courts in the Middle East, And I don’t know if she will ever see one there.

In general understandable. However she has provided open confessions a number of times. It is slam dunk case.

And there have been similar situations with Canadian citizens doing bad things abroad and I have always argued they should be allowed or even forced to come back home.

I support them facing the justice system in the nations they damaged with the populations they harmed over using a citizenship as a veto.

We take care of our own, good or bad. I think that is important.

The denounced us thus I have no obligation to her nor will I be a bleeding heart that accepts the use of citizenship as a veto for crimes committed in other nations.

And if she is tried and sent to prison in the U.S. that may be a deterrent to other potential ISIS brides.

The US can have her after she faces the Iraq, Syria and Kurds justice systems for crimes she committed in their nations. If there is anything left.

 

[Shad]

And by the way, if you commit a crime against the U.S., it doesn’t matter where you committed it. If you are in Russia any you break Russian law you will be tried in Russia. But if you are in Russia and you break U.S. law you should be tried in the U.S. courts. (If they can get you there).

She commited crimes in the nation(s) ISIS was operating in. The US can have her after.