What verifiable evidence is there that god exists?

[WalterTrull]

There's indeed a mark of extraterrestrial intelligence in our genetic coding; as evident by the numeric and semantic message of 037 embedded in our genetic code; this message of 037 embedded in our genetic code was discovered by scientists in 2012.

http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.906.4671&rep=rep1&type=pdf

Reference: ) The "Wow! signal" of the terrestrial genetic code. Vladimir l. shCherbak and Maxim A. Makukov.

Research article published in scientific peer-reviewed journal of Icarus, published date May 2013

Exactly who/what left its/their mark in our genetic coding might not ever get determined by anybody presently bound to Earth. The search for our cosmic relatives and cosmic common ancestor likely then needs to be done with advanced space exploration. I'd like to urge everybody who's interested in our cosmic ancestry, then to please advise our Senate, Congress and President to expand our tax-payer funded resources for advance space exploration.

Uhmm... got nuthin'.

 

[Riders]

As I've mentioned in other discussions about Christianity, this religion is demonstrated as being false.

The Biblical account of creation, regarding the origin of homo sapiens is false; because as I've noted elsewhere in some other discussions about Christianity, Jesus's family tree has a time span of 77 generations listed between his generation and Adam whom the Bible claims was the "first man". Reference: (Luke 3:23-38) and Eve whom the Bible claims as the mother of all the living. (Genesis 3:20)

However, the Australian aborigines have evidently been in Australia for over a thousand consecutive generations. Reference: Aboriginal Australians - Wikipedia

There have been hundreds of generations of Native Americans between the time their common ancestry migrated from Asia until the time of Christ.

Reference: Native Americans in the United States - Wikipedia

Of course, the Bible is wrong; in fact, there were people prior to the 76th generation before Christ that allegedly was spawned by Adam and Eve.

Adam as being the first man and perpetrator of original sin is an important premise of Christianity. If Adam wasn't the first man, then there isn't actually any "origin sin". Jesus supposedly died on the Cross to save humankind from "original sin". If there isn't any "original sin" from which to be saved, then Jesus Christ's death on the Cross is pretty pointless and meaningless. Evidently, there were many generations of people prior to the 76th generation before Christ whom the Bible claims was spawned by Adam. So then, Adam, Eve and original sin are mythological. There is neither any "first man" nor "original sin" throughout human evolution. Thus, Jesus Christ having died on the cross to save mankind from "original sin" is not reality but is rather mythological.

Based on genetic diversity, there's never been a human population bottleneck as low as one primordial couple.

Human genetic diversity is too great for there to have ever been a human population size that consisted of less than 10,000 individuals. Pairwise Sequentially Markovian Coalescent (PSMC) analysis confirms a population bottleneck in humans that consisted of no fewer than 10,000 individuals. Source: ( Li, Heng, and Durbin, Richard. ) "Inference of Human Population History from Individual Whole-Genome Sequences". Nature International Weekly Journal of Science. 28 July 2001. PSMC estimate on simulated data. : Inference of human population history from individual whole-genome sequences : Nature : Nature Publishing Group

If there were the most severe population bottle-necking such as one breeding pair that is portrayed in the case of the Biblical Adam and Eve, then there would be a maximum of 4 alleles passed on by Adam and Eve to their children. Furthermore, the subsequent inbreeding would cause some loss of alleles due to genetic drifting. There would not have been genetic diversity in the small group of Adam, Eve and their children who would've had to commit incest among each other for the procreation of their inbred children. A lack of genetic diversity would have persisted for thousands of generations until genetic mutations could cause the genetic diversity of today's population. Based on the number of different alleles there are for the number of genes within the current population and the known rate of mutations per nucleotide sites in humans, geneticists can calculate the minimum number of people needed to create the current amount of genetic diversity. Numerous genetic studies suggest that there were several thousands of people more than two people during the most severe population bottleneck which ever occurred in human history.

DNA segments ( Alu repeats ) insert themselves at various chromosomal locations. There are various forms of Alu sequences and several thousand families of Alu. One well-studied family of Alu is called Ya5, which has been inserted into human chromosomes at 57 mapped locations. If we were to have descended from a single pair of ancestors such as Adam and Eve, then we all would have each of the 57 elements inserted at the same location points of our chromosomes. " However, the human population consists of groups of people who share some insertion points but not others. The multiple shared categories make it clear that although a human population bottleneck occurred, it was definitely never as small as two. In fact, this line of evidence also indicates that there were at least several thousand people when the population was at its smallest". Source: ( Venema, Dennis and Falk, Darrel ) " Does Genetics Point to a Single Primal Couple?". 5 April 2010. Does Genetics Point to a Single Primal Couple? | The BioLogos Forum

Coalescence theory analysis of single nucleotide polymorphisms and linkage disequilibrium indicates the mean effective population size for hominid lineage is 100,000 individuals over the course of the last 30 million years. The effective population size estimated from linkage disequilibrium is a minimum of 10,000 followed by an expansion in the last 20,000 years." Source: ( Tenesa, Albert, Navarro, Paul, Hayes, Ben J., Duffy, David L., Clarke,Geraldine, Goodard, Mike E. and Visscher, Peter M.) " Recent Human Effective Population Size Estimated from Linkage Disequilibrium". Genome Research. 17 April 2007 Recent human effective population size estimated from linkage disequilibrium

I like that explanation of Christianity thank you.

 

[Salvador]

Uhmm... got nuthin'.

Scientists have observed mathematical and symmetrical patterns in our genetic code indicative of an intelligent designer of life. (1) Scientists have identified the number 37 reoccurring frequently in our genetic code. For example, the mass of the molecular core shared by all 20 amino acids is 74, which is doubled the amount of 37.
Furthermore, Soviet mathematician Uri Rumer noted the genetic code of life can be divided nicely in half, according to "whole family" codons and "split codons". The "whole family" codons have all 4 codons with the same 2 initial letters coded for the same amino acid. For example, the AC family, is considered "whole", because codons starting with AC code for threonine. "Split family" codons lack this attribute. Yuri Rumer pointed out there is no natural explanation why exactly half of all codons are "whole family" codons." Rumer found that by applying a simple rule-swapping T for G, and A for C- transforms one half of the code into the other. "Rumer's transformation" is one of several examples for patterns and symmetries in our genetic code.

Unlike genomic DNA, which mutates, the genetic code remains stable for all generations, and would be the ideal place for an intelligent designer to have signed its mark.

(1) The "Wow! signal" of the Terrestrial Genetic Code. Vladimir l. shCherbak and Maxim A. Makukov. Redirectinghttps://www.scribd.com/document/35302916...netic-Code

There isn't any natural coincidence that the prime number of 37 is half the amount of nucleons found in the peptide chain components of each canonical amino acid, because an artificially imposed transfer of a hydrogen atom from Proline's side chain to its peptide chain component results in the prime number of 37 as becoming a common factor for the atomic mass of all the canonical amino acid peptide chain components. Proline's side chain to peptide chain bond is artificially placed as an activation key for decoding the prime number of 37 as a common factor for the atomic masses of peptide chain components of canonical amino acids.

Referencing the WOW signal of the terrestrial genetic code detected by Vladimir l. shCherbak and Maxim A. Makukov whose scientific research findings were published in the prestigious peer-reviewed journal Icarus on February 17th, 2013:

“There is no plausible chemical logic to couple directly the triplets and the amino acids. In other words, the principles of chemistry where not the sought essence of the genetic code”

“The zero is the supreme abstraction of arithmetic. Its use by any alphabet, including the genetic code, can be an indicator of artificiality.”

"The place-value decimal system represented through digital symmetry of the numbers divisible by prime number (PN 037). This arithmetical syntactic feature is an innate attribute of the genetic code. The PN 037 notation with a leading zero emphasizes zero's equal participation in the digital symmetry. Numbers written by identical digits are devised by PN 037*3=111 and 1+1+1=3 and appear regularly [from the figure: 037*6 =222 and 2+2+2=6, 037*9=333 and 3+3+3 =9, 037*4=444 and 4+4+4=12, 037*15=555 and 5+5+5=15, 037*18=666 and 6+6+6=18, 037*21=777 and 7+7+7 =21. 037*24 =888 and 8+8+8=24, 037*27=999 and 9+9+9=27.]"

"There is a complete set of information symbols utilizing the decimal syntax 111, 222, 333, 444, 555, 666, 777, 888, 999 in the genetic code. Each of these symbols consists uniformly of a carrier (balanced nucleons) and a meaning (the decimal syntax)."

This informational and artificial characteristic of the WOW signal of the terrestrial genetic code demonstrates intelligent design.

An intelligent signal transmitted via genetic code that has been documented and confirmed by scientists researching the WOW signal of the terrestrial genetic code is prima facie evidence for an intelligent designer. Right?

"It has been repeatedly proposed to expand the scope for SETI, and one of the suggested alternatives to radio is the biological media. Genomic DNA is already used on Earth to store non-biological information. Though smaller in capacity, but stronger in noise immunity is the genetic code. The code is a flexible mapping between codons and amino acids, and this flexibility allows modifying the code artificially. But once fixed, the code might stay unchanged over cosmological timescales; in fact, it is the most durable construct known. Therefore it represents an exceptionally reliable storage for an intelligent signature, if that conforms to biological and thermodynamic requirements. "

".... As the actual scenario for the origin of terrestrial life is far from being settled, the proposal that it might have been seeded intentionally cannot be ruled out. A statistically strong intelligent-like “signal” in the genetic code is then a testable consequence of such scenario. Here we show that the terrestrial code displays a thorough precision-type orderliness matching the criteria to be considered an informational signal. Simple arrangements of the code reveal an ensemble of arithmetical and ideographical patterns of the same symbolic language. Accurate and systematic, these underlying patterns appear as a product of precision logic and nontrivial computing rather than of stochastic processes (the null hypothesis that they are due to chance coupled with presumable evolutionary pathways is rejected with P-value < 10–13). The patterns are profound to the extent that the code mapping itself is uniquely deduced from their algebraic representation. The signal displays readily recognizable hallmarks of artificiality, among which are the symbol of zero, the privileged decimal syntax and semantical symmetries. Besides, extraction of the signal involves logically straightforward but abstract operations, making the patterns essentially irreducible to any natural origin. Plausible ways of embedding the signal into the code and possible interpretation of its content are discussed. Overall, while the code is nearly optimized biologically, its limited capacity is used extremely efficiently to pass non-biological information."

Reference: The "Wow! signal" of the terrestrial code. Vladimir l. shCherbak and Maxim A. Makukov. Redirectinghttps://www.scribd.com/document/35302916...netic-Code

Stop codons represent 0. The numeric message of 37 is conveyed with 74/2. For example, somebody gets handed a string of 74 beads. This gets folded exactly in half, so 37 beads are above the recipient's hand and 37 are below the recipient's hand. Now, the number of beads observed has gone from 74 to 37. In this way, the message of 037 gets conveyed.

The 74 beads are analogous to the nucleon count of a canonical amino acid's peptide component. The folding of the string to derive at shChebak's PQN 037 is analogous to Rumer's bisection of the genetic codons based on their level of redundancy.

 

[George-ananda]

I would add to that the possibility of everyone to experience that by following what is called the "spiritual path".

Good add. It has been verified by many.

 

[WalterTrull]

The 74 beads are analogous to the nucleon count of a canonical amino acid's peptide component. The folding of the string to derive at shChebak's PQN 037 is analogous to Rumer's bisection of the genetic codons based on their level of redundancy.

Aahhh... I'm afraid you're going where I can't follow. Seems like you're pretty convinced though.

 

[lukethethird]

If we accept instructions from God to carry out actions that harm others, then it will make a difference to the world.

True, but my point is that if God is proven not to exist we will invent a God, and if God really does exist we will remain skeptical.

 

[Shantanu]

OK..... but that is for you to demonstrate.

I will stick with the Thread Title, thus:-
What verifiable evidence is there that god exists?

There must be proof that He has communicated messages to me to help me: I grant you.

 

[Shantanu]

True, but my point is that if God is proven not to exist we will invent a God, and if God really does exist we will remain skeptical.

Why will we invent a God: what is the need for a God in our lives?

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

"What verifiable evidence is there that god exists?"
You and me.

Citation needed.

 

[WalterTrull]

Citation needed.

Giggle.

 

[Jos]

I adhere to religion and i dont say that.

I say there is evidence.

Proof and evidence is not the same. There is evidence, not proof.

What's the difference between evidence and proof?

 

[lukethethird]

What verifiable evidence is there that god exists?

Have you tried Google? Do a search and get back to us.

 

[Jos]

Traditional western Theistic and Atheistic schools of thought all have issues in my judgment.

Which issues?

 

[Jos]

Not true.
Many non religionists (!) Accept that there is a God.

What's the difference between a religionist and a theist?

 

[Jollybear]

What's the difference between evidence and proof?

Evidence are bits and pieces of facts or data that requirs to have explanatory inferences. Its required to build on it using logic and philosophical thought.

Proof is bits and pieces of facts or data that require no inferences or logic or philosophical thought.

Example for evidence: > a fact, the universe has order and complexity.

Inference > the universe is designed due to this order and complexity.

Logic and philosophy delve into the nature of the designer.

Now heres what proof would be

Everyone dies and meets God and finds out he made it all.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

I am of the opinion that the Biblical god is a human creation, I have not seen any evidence to suggest otherwise. If god really exists why does it hide away, instead of revealing itself to all humanity in a way that is indisputable?

I am wondering if you ever read or studied the Bible______
Because in Scripture God is Not hidden away and does reveal Himself.
Reveal Himself to those who sincerely want to know.
Those who are H.H.H. ( Honest, Humble and Hungry 'for spiritual things' )

 

[MonkeyFire]

Creation and learning are impossible to angels.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Why will we invent a God: what is the need for a God in our lives?

I don't know if you might think of this as a need in one's life, but the God of the Bible offers: everlasting life.
If we would like to live forever, then we need God in one's life.
Lots of people think they are immortal and live on after death. That is Not a Bible teaching.
Whereas, what the God of the Bible teaches is future 'resurrection' for the dead to live again.

As for 'we the living', there is a ' time of separating ' coming for those of us alive on Earth at this separating time.
People will be separated into one of two categories:
Either as figurative humble 'sheep', or as figurative haughty ' goats ' as found at Matthew 25:31-33,37,40.
The upright ones (sheep-like) can remain alive on Earth, and continue to live on Earth right into the start of Jesus' coming 1,000-year governmental rule over Earth when it begins.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Creation and learning are impossible to angels.

Impossible because ___________________________________________________________________

 

[Ancient Soul]

I am of the opinion that the Biblical god is a human creation, I have not seen any evidence to suggest otherwise. If god really exists why does it hide away, instead of revealing itself to all humanity in a way that is indisputable?

What???

More importantly, where have YOU been hiding the last two years??

God is already walking among us, here's a photo of God to prove it to you:

http://i2.cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/150806212843-07-fox-debate-trump-0806-super-169.jpg