Treatments of women

[TashaN]

but in the west we dont force women to cover themselves for the weakness of men. if a man rapes a woman, it isnt the religions fault. if the assumed solution to this rape is to cover women from head to toe, then that is either the religion's or the culture's (or both) fault.

Women don't cover themselves because of men. They do so because Allah want them to do so. Don't you see the nuns in churches? why do they wear the hijab? yes it's hijab too. They do it to please God. In Islam ALL women should do that, not only those associated with religious service.

 

[JMorris]

does the woman have a choice?

 

[darkendless]

I told you in islam one partner can divorse if that right isn't fulfilled but there will be nothing to fulfill if both "don't fell like sex".but nothing like forcing.

Why does it matter. What is wrong with the next night when both feel like it?

Surely women need protecters with them. modest clothing women can get raped if found alone.

They don't. Women should not need protection from sick men who want to rape them. Sure they can be raped, but in civilised societies men know better.

Work is a public place,but many places aren't.the point is that normally people have to be alone when having sex,am i right? so not being alone with a stranger,will end adultry.

Being alone with a stranger usually does not = sex. Well not in my culture. I think there is a cultural difference here in perception but i respect your thinking.

 

[Peace]

does the woman have a choice?

Of course she has a choice of either obeying her God or disobeying Him. That's something between the woman and her Creator, so it's up to her to decide.

 

[Zhakir]

Why does it matter. What is wrong with the next night when both feel like it?

What do you mean?

They don't. Women should not need protection from sick men who want to rape them. Sure they can be raped, but in civilised societies men know better.

Yes sure, that's why women need a company of a mihram as a guard.
Woman are equal to mwn in islam,this is a fact.

Eqaulity in Basic Humanity

• Equality in Religious Obligations
• Equality in Rewards and Punishments,
• Equality in Ownership & Financial Transactions
• Equality in Honor & Nobility
• Equality in Education
• Equality in Social Responsiblities

Being alone with a stranger usually does not = sex. Well not in my culture. I think there is a cultural difference here in perception but i respect your thinking.

I think we all atleast agree that normally people have to be alone when having sex,so not being alone with a stranger,will end adultry.

 

[JMorris]

Of course she has a choice of either obeying her God or disobeying Him. That's something between the woman and her Creator, so it's up to her to decide.

ok, but is it a choice in the society? will a woman get in trouble with authorities or by some other group?

 

[Peace]

ok, but is it a choice in the society? will a woman get in trouble with authorities or by some other group?

No, not at all.

 

[JMorris]

No, not at all.

maybe not where you live. thats not true everywhere that is controled by muslims. but if you say its not that way in most muslim countries, i will take your word for it.

 

[Peace]

maybe not where you live. thats not true everywhere that is controled by muslims. but if you say its not that way in most muslim countries, i will take your word for it.

I would say it is not the way in most Muslim countries.

 

[gnostic]

No, not at all.

That's not true.

Women are getting into trouble right now with the Sharia law in some places, simply because of the way they dressed. Idiot authority are trying to enforce the stupid law in Saudi Arabia, Iran and Afghanistan, and apparently Pakistan, since the idiot regime is making peace with the Talibans. So the area that the Talibans controlled will now prevent girls from getting education and women must conformed with their strict adherence to the Sharia.

If I believe that the real devil or Satan being real, then he must be enjoying himself because of the way Muslims use law and religion to oppress women.

 

[JMorris]

I would say it is not the way in most Muslim countries.

ok, i will trust your word on that

 

[Zhakir]

That's not true.

Women are getting into trouble right now with the Sharia law in some places, simply because of the way they dressed. Idiot authority are trying to enforce the stupid law in Saudi Arabia, Iran and Afghanistan, and apparently Pakistan, since the idiot regime is making peace with the Talibans. So the area that the Talibans controlled will now prevent girls from getting education and women must conformed with their strict adherence to the Sharia.

If I believe that the real devil or Satan being real, then he must be enjoying himself because of the way Muslims use law and religion to oppress women.

You can't judge a religion by viewing those who aren't following it.
Maybe only maybe this is what some people do to woman,but we are discussing religion.
This is islam Women In Islam : WomenInIslam.ws

 

[England my lionheart]

And what some do to Children

 

[Zhakir]

And what some do to Children

Marrying females who aren't ready for sex,and having sex with them.isn't of islam.
remeber what Muhammad (pbuh) did.

 

[gnostic]

You can't judge a religion by viewing those who aren't following it.

Ah....but I wasn't referring to religion.

JMorris had put the question in regarding to "society", "some other group", and the "authorities".

ok, but is it a choice in the society? will a woman get in trouble with authorities or by some other group?

Which Peace replied with:

No, not at all.

My own reply was a response to not simply "religion", but to the "people" (ie societies), who use and abuse the "law".

Muslim societies, have in those countries that I mentioned, are making the women to adhere with clothing codes, or else they will get in trouble with the authorities.

The actual point I was making that some Muslim societies do take the choices of how women dress away from them.

But since you brought religion up.

That the society and authorities use their religion to enforce their law is also part of the problem.

Do you think that there no connection between the religion and the law being use?

If not, then how can you be so blind to not see?

 

[JMorris]

Ah....but I wasn't referring to religion.

JMorris had put the question in regarding to "society", "some other group", and the "authorities".



Which Peace replied with:



My own reply was a response to not simply "religion", but to the "people" (ie societies), who use and abuse the "law".

Muslim societies, have in those countries that I mentioned, are making the women to adhere with clothing codes, or else they will get in trouble with the authorities.

The actual point I was making that some Muslim societies do take the choices of how women dress away from them.

But since you brought religion up.

That the society and authorities use their religion to enforce their law is also part of the problem.

Do you think that there no connection between the religion and the law being use?

If not, then how can you be so blind to not see?

ive certainly seen "vice squads" beating women for not being fully covered, if its not based on religion, then it is culture.

 

[linwood]

ive certainly seen "vice squads" beating women for not being fully covered, if its not based on religion, then it is culture.

Religion helps form the culture.

You really can`t entirely separate the two.

Not in my experience anyway.

 

[JMorris]

Religion helps form the culture.

You really can`t entirely separate the two.

Not in my experience anyway.

i was implying that (maybe not effectively ) i was just waiting for someone else to say it out-right

 

[linwood]

i was implying that (maybe not effectively ) i was just waiting for someone else to say it out-right

JMorris,

You seem to be debating a Muslim fundy here.

This is no time for subtlety.

 

[JMorris]

JMorris,

You seem to be debating a Muslim fundy here.

This is no time for subtlety.

why not? the obvious is just as subtle to him as the subtle is to you. he isnt going to see it either way. and you cant debate someone who dosent debate. he just repeats himself.......repeatedly. would be like debating a 5 yr old constantly saying "nuh-uh"