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Poll says: majority approve of President Trump

Discussion in 'North American Politics' started by Shaul, May 16, 2019.

  1. Shaul

    Shaul Well-Known Member

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    Kangaroo Feathers Hardline moderate

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    "nearly half" is not a majority.

    But hey, as you Trumpettes love to point out, the polls had Clinton winning the election, too, so yeah.
     
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  4. Shaul

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    Re-read it. The nearly half is among Z generation only, the lowest of any age sub-group. Overall a majority, not a near majority, approve of the job President Trump is doing.
     
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    Zogby? LOL!

    Screenshot_2019-05-16 The Worst Pollster in the World Strikes Again.png

    The Worst Pollster in the World Strikes Again
     
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    So, all those times you handwaved Trump negative polls citing the preelection pro Clinton polls... we're just ignoring them, are we?
     
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    Is it Trump's supposed high approval rating that led to the Pubs getting clobbered in 2018?
     
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    Stanyon RF's Ultra -Square

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    The democrats are exploiting populism to get elected
    JUST LIKE HITLER!
     
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    Here's the full five thirty eight but it's worth pointing out that not even Fox news is polling Trump that high.
    How Popular Is Donald Trump?
     
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  10. Nowhere Man

    Nowhere Man Bompu Zen Man with a little bit of Bushido.

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    If Millennials keep doing things like this, it's going to force me to say nicer things about them.
     
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    I have never heard of Zogby, but then again, I don't place much stock in these polls at baseline. Unless they confirm my position, of course. :D
     
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    " Zogby Interactive — Zogby Analytics, popular in both the mainstream media and pop culture, is the brainchild of John Zogby, a pollster who has successfully predicted the result of nearly every presidential election from 1996 to 2012. A registered Democrat, Zogby’s polling group is actually known to show Republican bias in its solid record of 78 percent predictive accuracy."
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    How Reliable Is the Zogby-Journal Poll?

    “The Zogby stuff, on scientific grounds, is quite questionable,” says Zukin. “Online, Internet, opt-in polling, where people volunteer to be respondents, doesn’t really have a basis in scientific validity. There are two kinds of samples in the world. There are probability samples, and there are non-probability samples.”

    The Zogby interactive polls, says Zukin, clearly fall into the latter camp. “With probability samples, when everybody has a known chance of being selected, you can make pretty valid inferences about the population from which it is drawn,” says Zukin. “You can’t do that at all with self-selected surveys. That’s a problem.”

    Another problem with Internet-based polling, says Zukin, is that, in general, Web and email-based surveys tend to overvalue the opinions of young people. A group that is notoriously lousy at showing up to actually vote.

    As I have written repeatedly, the poll that I think is the least credible is Zogby/Wall Street Journal/Battleground States,” adds Burka. “I can’t believe the Journal allows its name to be attached to this so-called poll.”
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    So much for anything that comes out of a Zogby poll.

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    Revoltingest Libertarian Capitalist Atheist Bokononist
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    It's one of the few pollsters I've actually heard of & remembered.
    Of course, polls have questionable accuracy, & even less meaning.
    That's why the fighting over them is particularly vicious (as we see here).
     
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    This kind of partisan thinking is exactly what is wrong worth American politics. Putting feel-good confirmation bias over rigorous, systematic analysis of evidence is pathetic.

    Sophisticated intellectualists, such as myself, avoid being victims of naive confirmation bias by ignoring the ones which show us to be correct and instead focusing on the polls that show our opponents to be wrong.
     
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    Landon Caeli What's your stoyle?

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    Running statistics on statisticians. Interesting.

    Who's going to run the stats on the statisticians running stats on Zogby, the original statistician?
     
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    I agree.
     
  17. David1967

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    I've heard of Zogby, but after the last presidential election, I don't pay much attention to polls in general.
     
  18. ChristineM

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    So do facts
     
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    ChristineM "Be strong" I whispered to my coffee.
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    852 voters = the majority of americans?
     
  20. Quetzal

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    What kind of wine are you drinking?
     
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