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Featured MURDER, GENOCIDE, and ATHEISTS.

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by shmogie, Jun 18, 2019.

  1. shmogie

    shmogie Well-Known Member

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    One need not be in this forum very long to learn that the atheists here, for the most part, are in full attack mode when it comes to Christianity.

    One of their favorite lines of attack is to cite the historical violence of some Christians as a brand on all Christians, with the inference that Christianity is itself a failed endeavor.

    Actually, there is a bit of truth to this, when the Church and government became one with Constantine, the greed for money and power superseded the Christian sensibilities of many who claimed to be Christians, and in the name of Christianity, murder and genocide occurred. The hybrid monster of the church and state, or the state and church working together for the same goals corrupted the church.

    However, for every brutal leader supported by the church, there were many Christians with no government association who lived the Christian lifestyle and followed in the footsteps of Christ.

    What was done in the name of Christianity by a corrupt church and government must be recognized, and cannot be defended.

    Since atheists like to put the burning tire of murder and genocide on the neck of most any Christian, I thought a look at the atheist track record in this regard would be worthwhile.

    I have pages of specific citations, so, if in the following you feel you need a citation for a sentence or paragraph, I will happily supply it.

    According to an article by Christian apologist Gregory Koukl, with citations; " The assertion is that religion has caused most of the bloodshed in the world. There are people who make accusations and assertions that are empirically false, this is one of them"According to Le Monde, atheist regimes killed 100 million people in the 20th century, via genocide.

    The reign of terror in France, whose leaders were influenced by Diderot, Voltaire, Sade, and Rosseau, who worshiped the cult of reason, murdered 300,000 Frenchmen, most for not being good atheists.,The details of their torture and their slaughter are revolting.

    Koukl summarizes by stating that " It is true that religion can possibly produce evil, and generally when we look closer at the detail, it produces evil because the individual people are living in rejection of Christianity and the God that they are supposed to be following.n so it can produce evil but the historical fact is that the outright rejection of God and institutionalizing atheism actually does produce evil at incredible levels"
     
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    By atheism you really just mean revolutionary group.

    Your numbers are absurd and removed from any context which would make them useful.
     
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    Chill out. The Bible myths have long been used to justify genocide and slavery. That's the problem if you take it literally.
     
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  4. Hubert Farnsworth

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    I'm just gonna sit back and let the Christian-Atheist p!ss!ng contest unfold on this one.;)
     
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  5. David1967

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    Well said. When you mix church, or mosque or etc. with the power of the government it generally does not bode well for freedom of religion. This is why as a Christian I am very much against mixing the two. Separation of church and state is vital for freedom in a society both religious and otherwise.
     
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  6. David1967

    David1967 Well-Known Member
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    Now just why would you think this would happen?:D
     
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    He's blaming Constantine and the Catholic church..

    Deuteronomy 20:17 For you must devote them to complete ...
    Deuteronomy 20:17 For you must devote them to complete destruction--the Hittites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites, and Jebusites--as the LORD your God has commanded you,

    Completely destroy all the people: the Hittites, the Amorites, the Canaanites, the Perizzites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites, as the LORD ordered you to do. Holman Christian Standard Bible You must completely destroy them--the Hittite, Amorite, Canaanite, Perizzite, Hivite, and Jebusite--as the LORD your God has commanded you,
     
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  8. Curious George

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    Perhaps if those who committed atrocities with religion were not true scotsmen then the atheists who committed atrocities were also not scotsmen.
     
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    Continuing;
    Nobel prize winner Aleksandr Solzhenitzyn said: " Over 50 years ago, when I was a young boy, I recall hearing a number of old people offer the following explanation for the great disasters that had befallen Russia,' men have forgotten God, that;'s why this all happened'.

    Since then I have spent well nigh over 50 years working on the history of our revolution. In the process I have read hundreds of books, collected hundreds of personal testimonies, and have already contributed eight volumes of my own toward clearing away the rubble left by that upheaval. But, if I were asked today to formulate as concisely as possible the main cause of the ruinous revolution that swallowed up 60 million of our people, I could not put it more accurately than to repeat.'men have forgotten God, that is why all this happened'

    The historical record and statistics of atheist leaders and mass murder. Theodore Beal

    "Apparently it was just an amazing co incidence that every communist of historical note publically declared his atheism. There have been 28 in the world that can be confirmed to have been ruled by self admitted atheists at the helm. These 28 historical regimes have been ruled by 89 atheists, of which more than half have engaged in mass murder and genocide. The body count from 1917 is approx. 150 million dead at the hands of 52 atheists.

    The collective historical record of collective atheism is is thus 182,716 times worse on an annual basis than the worst year of of the church's worst deed, the Spanish inquisition.

    Is a 58% chance that an atheist leader will murder a notable percentage of the population over which he rules sufficient evidence that atheism does, in fact, provide a systematic influence to do bad things? If that is not deemed conclusive, how about the fact that the average atheist crime against humanity is 128.3 million percent worse than the depredations of alleged Christians Christians, even though the atheists have had one twentieth of of the opportunities to commit them. If one considers the statistically significant size of the atheist set and contrasts it with the fact that not one in a thousand religious leaders have not created similarly sized atrocities, it is impossible to conclude otherwise. Once might be an accident, even twice could be a coincidence, but 52 incidents in a hundred years speaks of causation"

    Anthony De Stefano, author of "The Atheist Mind" wrote; " The truth is, the atheist position is incapable of supporting any coherent system of morality other than ruthless social Darwinism. That's why it has caused more deaths, murders and bloodshed than any other belief system in the history of the world"
     
  10. ChristineM

    ChristineM "Be strong" I whispered to my coffee.
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    Your understanding of the reasons for the french revolution sucks, if that is an example of your specific citations then i would love to see them

    BTW, would you like a list of wars in which either one side or both were fighting to impose their religious beliefs on the opposition? It is estimated that over 800 million people have been killed in these wars of religion... Best that atheists.
     
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    *Reads thread title, notes author of OP*

    [To self] Oh let me guess, commies commies commies...

    *Opens thread*

    :rolleyes:
     
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  12. shmogie

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    Nice try, but wrong. The main reasons for war have always been economic gain, territorial gain, civil and revolutionary conflicts. According to Philip Axelrod in his monumental " Encyclopedia of War", only 7% of all wars from 8000 BC to the present were religious in nature. If you subtract Islamic wars from the equation, on 3.2 % were of a religious cause. 96% of all wars on the planet had nothing to do with religion.
     
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    Because the Christians keep making poor quality threads bringing the subject up, smearing views and doing stealth attacks on our subjects.
     
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  14. shmogie

    shmogie Well-Known Member

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    LOL !!!!
     
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    Me too. Wanna make a bet on which party is going to be the first to invoke Hitler or the Nazis?
     
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    Well Bob, technically, you just did.:p
     
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  17. shmogie

    shmogie Well-Known Member

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    Sigh, get into the real world, your hatred of the Bible skews everything you say, and everything you say is related to your hatred of the Bible
     
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  18. ChristineM

    ChristineM "Be strong" I whispered to my coffee.
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    I thought you would say something like that, so here ya go, which of these were nothing to do with religion

    "US Western Expansion (Justified by ""Manifest Destiny""):20,000,000 deaths"
    AIDS deaths in Africa largely due to opposition to condoms: 30,000,000 , ok not a war but deaths caused by religious opposition to condoms


    Al Qaeda, 1993-
    Albigensian Crusade, 1208-49
    Algeria, 1992-
    Arab Outbreak, 7th Century CE
    Arab-Israeli Wars, 1948-
    Armenian Genocide: 1,500,000
    Atlantic Slave Trade (Justified by Christianity): 14,000,000
    Aztec Human Sacrifice: 80,000
    Baha'is, 1848-54 ... Muslim/Bab’i conflict
    Bosnia, 1992-95
    Boxer Rebellion, 1899-1901
    Christian Romans, 30-313 CE
    Congolese Genocide (King Leopold II): 13,000,000
    Croatia, 1991-92
    Crusades, 1095-1291 - 6,000,000

    Dutch Revolt, 1566-1609
    Eighty Years' War: 1,000,000
    English Civil War, 1642-46
    First Sudanese Civil War: 1,000,000
    French Wars of Religion: 4,000,000
    Great Peasants' Revolt: 250,000
    Holocaust, 1938-45
    Huguenot Wars, 1562-1598
    India, 1992-2002
    India: Suttee & Thugs
    Indo-Pakistani Partition, 1947
    Iran, Islamic Republic, 1979-
    Iraq War: 500,000
    Iraq, Shiites, 1991-92
    Islamic Terrorism Since 2000: 150,000
    Jewish Diaspora (Not Including the Holocaust): 1,000,000
    Jews, 1348
    Jonestown, 1978

    Lebanon 1860 / 1975-92 250,000
    Molucca Is., 1999-
    Mongolia, 1937-39
    Muslim Conquests of India: 80,000,000
    Nigeria, 1990s, 2000s- 1,000,000

    Northern Ireland, 1974-98
    Russian pogroms 1905-06 / 1917-22
    Rwandan Genocide: 800,000
    Second Sudanese Civil War: 2,000,000
    Shang China, ca. 1300-1050 BCE
    Shimabara Revolt, Japan 1637-38
    Sikh uprising, India, 1984-91
    Spanish Inquisition, 1478-1834 - 5,000

    St. Bartholemew Massacre, 1572
    Taiping Rebellion, 1850-64
    The Holocaust (Jewish and Homosexual Deaths): 6,500,000
    Thirty Years War, 1618-48 - 11,500,000

    Tudor England
    Vietnam, 1800s
    Witch Hunts, 1400-1800
    Xhosa, 1857
     
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  19. sooda

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    Joshua didn't kill the Canaanites.. He too is a myth, but the Hebrews thought it made a great story.
     
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    Show off.:cool:
     
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