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The Pharisees rejecting Jesus had to do with their desires of the Messiah delivering them from Roman oppression. Michael Brown – Tough Questions Answered

 

Well, IF the messiah had come at THAT time, that is what the messiah would have done. Like I said, the main thing about the Messiah is that he will reign from jerusalem during the Messianic Era. You don't have that if the Romans are occupying the place.

 

BTW, you replied before I finished my edit, so here are the verses I looked up for you:


Isaiah 41:8
“But you, Israel, my servant, Jacob, whom I have chosen, you descendants of Abraham my friend,"

Isaiah 44:1
Israel the Chosen
“But now listen, Jacob, my servant, Israel, whom I have chosen."

Isaiah 44:21
“Remember these things, Jacob, for you, Israel, are my servant. I have made you, you are my servant; Israel, I will not forget you.

Isaiah 45:4
For the sake of Jacob my servant, of Israel my chosen, I summon you by name and bestow on you a title of honor, though you do not

He said to me, “You are my servant, Israel, in whom I will display my splendor.”

 

Jesus will do that at his second coming. Jewish Christian - Wikipedia

 

God saying that Israel was his servant doesn't mean that Israel is the suffering servant mentioned in Isaiah 53.

 

I've gutted this idea so many times it's not funny.

 

Yes it does. The rules for composition work in Isaiah just as they work in any other work of literature -- when a consistent metaphor is used throughout a piece of writing, it refers to the same thing.

 

How are two messiahs more likely than the second coming of one messiah?

 

When Israel was suffering the nations weren't healed. Israel didn't pay for our iniquities or die for our sins. Israel wasn't punished willingly. God used other nations to judge them.

 

the idea of two messiahs was explored long ago and tossed out as having no merit.

 

It's not about Israel suffering for the nations. Its about the obedient faithful remnant of Israel suffering on behalf of Israel.

You say so many things that just don't plug in. the words non sequitur come to mind.

 

The righteous remnant of that time, or the righteous remnant in the entire history of Israel? The righteous remnant in the entire history of Israel mirrors the Bible saying narrow is the way that leads to life and while the children of Israel are like the sand of the seashore only a remnant will be saved. Matthew 7:13-14

Isaiah 10:22

 

Israel didn't deliver the nations and Israel wasn't a man of sorrows.

 

God's servant has a role having to do with Israel being chosen to make God known to the Gentiles. God chose the Jews through whom he would send Jesus-so that everyone would know of God. The servant was to make God known. The servant would enter into our suffering to remove the barrier of sin between God and people.

 

You didn't read my post, or you would not have responded to something I didn't say. Please scroll back and try again.

Would you like me to link you to a Jewish YouTube video about Isaiah 53? Just wondering, cuz personally I hate it when people try to substitute videos for good writing.

 

The discussion about the suffering servant and Israel being the faithful remnant

 

This is not even a complete sentence. I have no idea what you are responding to or trying to say. Either you forgot the word "is," or there was more to add on to the end of the fragment.

 

The suffering servant being the remnant doesn't make sense because the remnant is a not a person. Israel cannot be the suffering servant because in verse 49 who the servant is changes.

 

All throughout Isaiah, Israel is referred to as "my servant." Israel is often spoken of in the singular, i.e. that Israel is God's bride, etc. So there is no problem really with Isaiah 53 speaking in the singular.

 

There are details in the text, like the servant of God suffering, that hint that Israel is not the suffering servant. God used other nations to judge Israel. He allowed them to invade Israel as a consequence of their actions. They didn't suffer without measure or cause.

Who is God's Suffering Servant? The Rabbinic Interpretation of Isaiah 53 | Outreach Judaism