Minor note - Bar in Aramaic means son of. Bar in Hebrew means grain or produce.Bar means "son of" in Hebrew
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Minor note - Bar in Aramaic means son of. Bar in Hebrew means grain or produce.Bar means "son of" in Hebrew
How is this possible?
How is this possible?
A Christian might say:
1. A spiritual king could be a real king.
2. He could be doing that now.
3. He did that spiritually.
4. Suspect?
5. Royal blood?
6. Maybe in the second coming?
How can that be when the similarities basically begin and end at the same names and claims to be of the same god?In the first century, the belief was how can you be a gentile and believe in Jesus, not how could you be Jewish and believe in Jesus. Christianity was a Jewish sect-it's not a distinct faith-both are covenants that come from the same God.
That's what Muslims say too.it's not a distinct faith-both are covenants that come from the same God.
It never ceases to amaze me that Christians will still insist the Jews got their own religion wrong. That when a Jew says "this is what our religion says," Christians who know very little about Judaism will insist "but, but, but."
It would kind of be like an American insisting someone who is English is doing being English wrong.
A Jewish response to the above would. "If that is what Christians hold by we Jews aren't here to stop you in beleiving that or forming a life around it. The Christian standard is one that does not meet the requirements set in the below documents for Jews, thus we Jews were commaded by Hashem to avoid such."
Further, a Jew may ask. "If you as a Christian are so sure about your beleifs and such why it it important to you whether we Jews reject that or not? Are Christians not happy with the beliefs they hold by?"
It's actually the opposite: The Mashiach is meant to start the building of the Third Temple.
Of course, no-one can read this.
How is this possible?
Actually, there is a world of Torah based Jews who can. In fact, a large number of Torah based Jews on RF who can. Would you like me to prove it?
You haven't described the problem.What is worth noting, IMO, is that the Jewish nation now has a serious problem. The problem has to do with identification of the Messiah. Most Jews accept that a Messiah, in the line of David, is due to come. Most Jews believe that to be the Messiah he must also be born in Bethlehem, the city of David. Yet, if Jesus has already fulfilled this prophecy, then this cannot happen again. The second coming, according to Jesus Christ, must be from heaven, not earth.
Knowing how to distinguish the Messiah is clearly a problem.You haven't described the problem.
Also, no Jews believe that the Messiah has to be born in Bethlehem unless they're already Christian.
You haven't described the problem.
Also, no Jews believe that the Messiah has to be born in Bethlehem unless they're already Christian.
I cannot read those scrolls/books (although I do try to read the Torah in Hebrew daily), so I don't know what you're reporting to not meet the requirements of the Jews.A Jewish response to the above would. "If that is what Christians hold by we Jews aren't here to stop you in beleiving that or forming a life around it. The Christian standard is one that does not meet the requirements set in the below documents for Jews, thus we Jews were commaded by Hashem to avoid such."
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Further, a Jew may ask. "If you as a Christian are so sure about your beleifs and such why it it important to you whether we Jews reject that or not? Are Christians not happy with the beliefs they hold by?"
Oh, you are using the gospel accounts as evidence. See, if you discount them then you have no evidence that the messiah is supposed to be from Bethlehem.You can't have it both ways. The Jews accused Jesus of being fake because he was
a Galilean. And they cited scripture to the effect that the Messiah must come from
Bethlehem.
Oh, you are using the gospel accounts as evidence. See, if you discount them then you have no evidence that the messiah is supposed to be from Bethlehem.
And you believe that this means that any future messianic person has to be born in Bethlehem? Maybe the problem is in clearly understanding the verse and prophecy. This verse remarks about the family that came from Bethlehem and how from that family a future leader will arise. That family is the origin of the Davidic line which would exclude anyone not (paternally) from the family.Knowing how to distinguish the Messiah is clearly a problem.
Micah 5:2. 'But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.'
Do you not believe this prophecy of Micah? It's not a New Testament passage.
Yet you do believe that Jesse lived in Bethlehem [1 Samuel 16:1], and that his family are associated with the city. Birth in this city gives credence to the Messianic claim.