Surely the OP has already made it a debate and the thread should be moved.
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How can a Jew reject Jesus as the Messiah?
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If I recall correctly, the sign was the letter tav.
Shabbat 55a:11-16
the letter tav, that it was inscribed on the foreheads of the righteous? Rav said: Tav is the first letter of the word tiḥye, you shall live, indicating that the righteous shall live. Tav is also the first letter of the word tamut, you shall die, indicating that the wicked shall die. And Shmuel said: The letter tav is the first letter of the word tama, ceased…
IMO, the thread should be locked.
rosends
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Not until I get an answer about ice cream, please.
Spirit of Light
Be who ever you want
Afraid of getting overload of moderating happy campers with a lot on their mindPeople please, I know this thread is nonsensical but there are only 2 staffers on right now
Well what can I say.
Silence can be a winner.
Regards Tony
Silence can be a winner.
Regards Tony
It's either proselytizing or very close to it. Fortunately I don't have to make that judgement.
PruePhillip
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Ayin. In the Jewish Tanakh (our Old Testament) there are TWO MESSIAHS.
One is the suffering Redeemer and the other is the Reigning King.
Zechariah, among others, speaks of the Coming of the Reigning Messiah, but
the Jews will mourn when they see He is the same figure who came to them
lowly and upon a donkey, the same figure they 'pierced' (crucified.)
The common message of the Tanakh is to reign with Him one must suffer with
Him also.
MOST JEWS DO NOT RECOGNIZE THE MESSIAH AS REDEEMER.
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PruePhillip
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One can be OFFENDED by the idea of a 'psycho monster' but one cannot DENY such a
'monster' exists. The bible tells us that the Jewish people will suffer and go into exile twice.
I can think of no people on earth who have been driven out of over 100 countries and
endured pogroms, crusades, final solutions and genocide like the Jews. In weeping for the
Jewish people Jesus said that they 'did not know the time of their visitation.' And Jesus
made the cryptic remark that one day it will be the Gentiles time to suffer.
Audie
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Every peoples' history is unique.
The Jewish people kept better than average records, evidently.
Other peoples have been entirely destroyed.
The Jews are not so special.
As for "cannot deny" I certainly can, do, and,
continue to be revolted by the mentality of those
who concoct such things and then inflict these
sick fantasies on Iinnocent children.
If you do, I call shame.
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PruePhillip
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I didn't 'concoct' anything. I am telling you of the Jewish history. One super remarkable
thing about the Jews is that they still exist. One monarch said he believed in God just
because of the existence of the Jews.
This is not Nostradamus quatrains:
The bible says the Jews will:
1 - be few in number (there ought to be about 100-200 million by now)
2 - live in the tiniest of lands (you walk across the narrowest part of Israel in a morning)
3 - be under the heel of the Gentiles
4 - be successful out of all proportion to their population
5 - be a blessing to those nations that bless them, and a curse to those who curse them
6 - be exiled and return to their homeland twice
7 - be God's chosen people.
there's bound to be other points I can't remember at the moment.
Look at the biblical people - Hittites, Amalekites, Edomites, Moabites etc.. All these are
gone - even the Egyptians are not the same people anymore - but there's still the Jew.
Google 'Jew Cohan haplotype Moses' and you read how some Jews still can be identified
as belonging to the tribe of Levites, the officials of the ancient temple, descendants of Moses'
brother Aaron.
Audie
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Of course you did not invent the psyvho god,
but you sure seem involved in spreading it to
others.
I noted that jews have a unique history as does every people. There are others besides just the freaking middle eastern, too.
If you are impressed that a few Bible predictions turn out if you read them just so, its nothing but confirmation bias, ignoring all the
ones that did not..
And all the general purpose nonsense throughout the bible.
If you're Jewish, how do you reconcile Jesus being the messiah with your religion? Are you a Messianic Jew? If so, it would be helpful for you to identify yourself as such. Because even I take exception to you applying the label "Jewish" to yourself given your apparent views on Jesus being the messiah...and I'm not even Jewish.
The Bible refers to believers as the seed of Abraham and not all believers are Jewish. Galatians 3:29 And if you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham's seed and heirs according to the promise.
Isaiah 53:8 and Isaiah 53:10 doesn't insinuate that the Messiah will have children. Isaiah 53:8 implies that the Messiah will not have children.
The Bible verse about Jesus having a long life is a reference to the resurrection. There are verses in the Tanakh where things are plainly implied but not explicitly stated. How could the Messiah have died and yet prolonged his days? I believe Isaiah 53:10 refers to the servant's continued activities after his death.
Christian texts mean nothing to me.
This chapter isn't about the Messiah.
The prediction of a Messiah was in Hebrew, and Jews are experts in Hebrew. Rabbis were very well educated, and quite aware of the prediction of a Messiah, and they felt that the work of Jesus didn't fulfill their prediction of a Messiah. These Rabbis were experts in their own religion and experts in the prediction of a Messiah.
Contemporary Jews of Jesus (those who lived in his time), had heard of his miracles, and thought that he was a wizard and therefore evil.
All this begs the question, why does anyone believe that Jesus was the Messiah if the experts insist that he was not?
In the days of Jesus, many had claimed to be the Messiah, including Jesus Bar Abbas (Barabbas), which means Jesus, son of God. Bar means "son of" in Hebrew, and it is similar to Arab "bin" (such as Osama bin Laden). Barabbas was a thief who was scheduled to be crucified at the same time as Jesus Christ.
With so many pretenders, it was only natural for people to be skeptical.
Contemporary Jews of Jesus (those who lived in his time), had heard of his miracles, and thought that he was a wizard and therefore evil.
All this begs the question, why does anyone believe that Jesus was the Messiah if the experts insist that he was not?
In the days of Jesus, many had claimed to be the Messiah, including Jesus Bar Abbas (Barabbas), which means Jesus, son of God. Bar means "son of" in Hebrew, and it is similar to Arab "bin" (such as Osama bin Laden). Barabbas was a thief who was scheduled to be crucified at the same time as Jesus Christ.
With so many pretenders, it was only natural for people to be skeptical.
Verses 53:8 and 53:10 don't refer to someone's sons and daughters.