Here we go again: 9 dead, 16 injured in a shooting in Dayton, Ohio

[Salvador]

Did the NRA share its membership records with you so that you could come to this conclusion?

If any NRA member were to have been a mass shooter, the media would have likely uncovered this fact and would have reported this.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

I don't know why ya'll can't just look at the facts (that repeat and repeat and repeat) and just admit, "hey, this is who we are!"

Man, as your northern neighbour, I watch and watch, and can't figure you out in the slightest. Trump's asinine tweets don't faze his supporters at all. State Rep Candice Keller can say, "After every mass shooting, the liberals start the blame game. Why not place the blame where it belongs?" The post listed reasons Keller thought the United States is grappling with mass shootings, including "the breakdown of the traditional American family," "homosexual marriage," "fatherlessness," "the ignoring of violent video games," "professional athletes who hate our flag and the National Anthem," "the relaxing of laws against criminals," "recreational marijuana," "Obama" and Democratic members of Congress, among others.

Truly, I no longer think the US knows what it wants to be, except "great" as Trump trumpets...whatever the heck that means.

Wanna be great? Develop a "moral imagination." Try to see the world through the eyes of another, even though you cannot directly experience where they've come from. Sometimes saying, "we don't want you here," amounts to about the same thing as saying, "so go back and die where you came from." How does that fit with the values you suppose you have?

Sorry, I should stop this...I'm not American and have a very, very different world-view. But really, there is another way...

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

If any NRA member were to have been a mass shooter, the media would have likely uncovered this fact and would have reported this.

Because you think that the media has access to NRA membership records?

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

It was through this that the colonists were allowed to be armed in the first place and through this that they were not successfully disarmed.

It is common knowledge that our Constitution was heavily influenced by the English bill of rights.

It's uncommon knowledge that the "Founding Fathers" were armed and supplied by the French to pursue a proxy war against the English, and the idea of an insurrection of privately armed colonists throwing off British "tyranny" is a fantastical myth.

 

[Salvador]

Because you think that the media has access to NRA membership records?

They'd ( investigative reporters ) have access to the mass shooter's family, friends, social media accounts, postal carrier which likely would reveal if any mass shooter were supportive of the NRA.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

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[Curious George]

It's uncommon knowledge that the "Founding Fathers" were armed and supplied by the French to pursue a proxy war against the English, and the idea of an insurrection of privately armed colonists throwing off British "tyranny" is a fantastical myth.

That the french supplied some arms does not negate that many colonists were privately armed. Nor, does negate the fact that the idea of guns for self defense and defense of the one's country was central to the development of the United States.

 

[Stevicus]

About slavery... specifically the fallout from the Somerset decision.

Why do you think the Revolution happened when it did?

After Somerset, the writing was on the wall that slavery would be abolished in the British Empire, but it wasn't happening quickly.

In the American colonies, one faction thought that they could protect slavery if the left the Empire, while another faction thought they could speed up abolition if they left the Empire.

Both factions were expansionist, which was the basis of the series of compromises which maintained and expanded slavery - until there was no more room left to expand, then no more room to compromise.

I think a large underlying cause of the Revolution was the Proclamation of 1763, which closed off settlement in areas west of the Appalachian Mountains, as that area was reserved for the Native tribes who helped the British side during the French and Indian War. The colonies wanted to expand.

And of course, as settlers moved in to the newly acquired territories, they'd want them all armed.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

They'd ( investigative reporters ) have access to the mass shooter's family, friends, social media accounts, postal carrier which likely would reveal if any mass shooter were supportive of the NRA.

Just to see, I did a quick Googling of the Las Vegas shooter. From what I read, they weren't able to determine which organizations he belonged to. Why are you so sure?

 

[Salvador]

Just to see, I did a quick Googling of the Las Vegas shooter. From what I read, they weren't able to determine which organizations he belonged to. Why are you so sure?

Eric Paddock said his brother Stephen had no political or religious affiliations of any kind.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

Just to see, I did a quick Googling of the Las Vegas shooter. From what I read, they weren't able to determine which organizations he belonged to. Why are you so sure?

Because ideology informs reality

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Eric Paddock said his brother Stephen had no political or religious affiliations of any kind.

Interesting that you consider NRA membership to be a political or religious affiliation.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

Interesting that you consider NRA membership to be a political or religious affiliation.

Behold tribalism in all it's glory. It's great, you don't have to think about anything, you just pick a side and parrot whatever bull**** your superiors tell you. Works particularly well for nuanced and complex apolitical issues.

 

[Revoltingest]

.....The post listed reasons Keller thought the United States is grappling with mass shootings, including "the breakdown of the traditional American family," "homosexual marriage," "fatherlessness," "the ignoring of violent video games," "professional athletes who hate our flag and the National Anthem," "the relaxing of laws against criminals," "recreational marijuana," "Obama" and Democratic members of Congress.....

Funny you should mention that last one.
Ref....
Twitter account linked to "leftist" Dayton shooter suggests gunman was Democrat-supporting socialist

I observe that violence is a large problem here, one transcending
political party, race, religion, class, gender, etc. Beware those who
find a singular cause.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

Funny you should mention that last one.
Ref....
Twitter account linked to "leftist" Dayton shooter suggests gunman was Democrat-supporting socialist

I observe that violence is a large problem here, one transcending
political party, race, religion, class, gender, etc. Beware those who
find a singular cause.

It's interesting to note, I think, that though the US and Canada are close neighbours and have always enjoyed pretty much unrestricted travel access back and forth, we are still quite different. I think a lot of that has to do with the "stories" that we tell that identify who "we" are as a people. This, of course, happens at all levels...we may share a faith with many people, and those stories will link us, while we may share a geographical history with others, and those stories will link us in different ways. This is how humans manage the magic we do. The greatest "story" ever invented, of course, is money. You can get an ape to trade one piece of food with you for another, but you'll never, ever get her to trade for a piece of paper. Only we can do that, because only we share the myth that that piece of paper is worth something, and can be traded again and again for all kinds of things.

So I kind of wonder why the rate of murder by guns is more than 5 times higher in the US than in Canada per 100,000 people. What part of the "American story" is so different from the Canadian one?

Funny, this past weekend in one of our newspapers (the Globe and Mail) was an essay by a woman from Virginia, titled "I'm an American, but I'm head over heels in love with Canada."

 

[sooda]

As many call for tighter gun laws, Texas set to loosen up
Beginning Sept. 1, it will be easier to carry and store guns in Texas, where five of the 20 deadliest shootings in the United States since 1900 occurred.

Texas' guns laws are scheduled to loosen even more next month​

 

[Subduction Zone]

As many call for tighter gun laws, Texas set to loosen up
Beginning Sept. 1, it will be easier to carry and store guns in Texas, where five of the 20 deadliest shootings in the United States since 1900 occurred.

Texas' guns laws are scheduled to loosen even more next month​

If I can complete my ensemble I might move there:

 

[wandering peacefully]

All of them cannot be stopped, period. So called gun control will stop very few. It is a knee jerk placeb

I think I agree with the algorithms however, that means government have even more access to a lot more personal information . Do you think you are ready for that?

Will a forum like this where some spew hatred be up for investigations? How much more government policing of citizens do we want to allow?

The mentally ill,, abused, and indoctrinated need to have many more resources for help for sure before it gets to the crazy f stage.

I have no problem with making compromises and consessions between the people who want to totally rid the country of any type of firearms and the gun enthusiasts who want every toy out there.

Until we can address the underlying issues, for now let's try to remove the high magazine and assault type weapons capable of allowing so many killed within minutes. I don't think that is too much to ask.
I know I said I am not scared when I go in public but at the grocery store today, it actually crossed my mind to keep an ear out for any signs of trouble. Only for a moment but damn if it should cross my mind at all.

 

[shmogie]

I think I agree with the algorithms however, that means government have even more access to a lot more personal information . Do you think you are ready for that?

Will a forum like this where some spew hatred be up for investigations? How much more government policing of citizens do we want to allow?

The mentally ill,, abused, and indoctrinated need to have many more resources for help for sure before it gets to the crazy f stage.

I have no problem with making compromises and consessions between the people who want to totally rid the country of any type of firearms and the gun enthusiasts who want every toy out there.

Until we can address the underlying issues, for now let's try to remove the high magazine and assault type weapons capable of allowing so many killed within minutes. I don't think that is too much to ask.
I know I said I am not scared when I go in public but at the grocery store today, it actually crossed my mind to keep an ear out for any signs of trouble. Only for a moment but damn if it should cross my mind at all.

So called assault weapons were banned once before. Banning them had no effect on the overall murder rate.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

So I kind of wonder why the rate of murder by guns is more than 5 times higher in the US than in Canada per 100,000 people. What part of the "American story" is so different from the Canadian one?

It's the gun laws. That's really it.

It's not mental illness, white supremacy, incels, etc. We have all that in Canada, too. The difference is our gun laws.