If Pastafarianism is too political for you, you can always try Dudeism.Have you tried Pastafarianism?
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If Pastafarianism is too political for you, you can always try Dudeism.Have you tried Pastafarianism?
It is not really free, because you have to believe what Christians believe in order to get the gift.
Your last statement is called 'works righteousness religion ' Its the complete opposite of biblical christianity.Christianity is ALSO about what you have to do and keep doing, IF you believe in Jesus and not Paul.
(Please see the verses I posted in a post I just answered above.)
What's wrong with doing stuff? Stuff that you get for free in this life is usually not worth having. Why would the rules for getting to heaven be any different than the rules we live by on earth?
Do you feel like you quoted the actual verse there ?Matt 7:21 says that those who do the will of the Father and not just say "lord, lord".
Now I know someone will twist this into an intellectual pretzel to mean the opposite, but that's not what it says in plain language.
1 Corinthians 2:9Well, I finally got to the end of my long list of your posts and this is the last one.
If there were any questions I said I would answer later you will have to remind me what they were....
Meanwhile.
Barry Johnson said: what is on offer by Jesus cannot be ' bettered '
Trailblazer said: Wanna bet?
So what is on offer by Jesus that you believe cannot be bettered?
If we stick strictly with the afterlife, I believe that can be bettered. For one thing, what do you even know about heaven and what you will get when you attain eternal life? If you do not know what heaven consists of how can you know it cannot be bettered?
Below is one of the assurances that I have. There are more but this is a brief one that I especially like given all I have suffered in this life.
“O My servants! Sorrow not if, in these days and on this earthly plane, things contrary to your wishes have been ordained and manifested by God, for days of blissful joy, of heavenly delight, are assuredly in store for you. Worlds, holy and spiritually glorious, will be unveiled to your eyes. You are destined by Him, in this world and hereafter, to partake of their benefits, to share in their joys, and to obtain a portion of their sustaining grace. To each and every one of them you will, no doubt, attain.”
Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 329
To fully surrender would be a good startThe discussion here is based on what the requirements for your belief/ religion are . What is required of you to do in order to attain
And what does that involve? And for how long ?To fully surrender would be a good start
Why, do you really want to know? To practise it yourself?And what does that involve? And for how long ?
Well for this discussion, it would be see if what you have is better than what I have in Jesus.Why, do you really want to know? To practise it yourself?
Because it is not an impersonal entity that I do not understand. I know and understand it, and I know that IT is what I truly am. So I know IT better than my own individuated self.We will have everything needed , first glorified bodies that as I've stated. We will be like him ( Jesus as stated in the sense and context of this verse , of course not God or as God )
1 John 3:2-3
King James Version
2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
There is somethings that are not fully explained as to every detail to what it will fully be and what it will be like exactly. I don't think we would grasp it fully if it was given. But a lot is given ,that blows my mind already. God's existence and the one we will share is not something I've experienced. Although you are given a ' experience ' of it when you recieve the Holy Spirit. But I guess as the verse describes above we do change spiritually now and we change then with glorification. From the biblical narrative, the desire to be relationally with the one who has created everything , fills me with Joy. To still experience love , joy and peace and be relational and experience that on a limitless and on a level I can only imagine. To live. The bible reveals that were kinda living such a ' dim ' life , like in back and white rather than full HD colour, with surround sound . or like a hologram and that actually this life is not as ' real ' as the next, with God . This is what I desire . To live with God . A greater existence, eternal. Learning, growing in love and joy . Beyond that I'm back in the fish bowl trying to imagine life without water . At best we have a tangible glimpse of heaven from Jesus, his life his resurrection and his words . When I used to believe similar to what you believe, I had to imagine ' myself ' no longer in the equation . As hard as I tried that never filled me with Joy . Only dread and sadness. Yes , now I long to be rid of my sin full body ,in replace of a new one, like Jesus s resurrected body , limitless in a way I don't understand yet . But I'm still me . I don't become a universe creator, no , I don't mergre into God , an impersonal energy that I don't know or understand, something I cannot relate to or have a relationship with ..I'm not sure why you see that as better?
No, it is only the opposite of what Paul taught.Your last statement is called 'works righteousness religion ' Its the complete opposite of biblical christianity.
The Baha'i Faith offers the same kinds of promises.1 Corinthians 2:9
King James Version
9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.
I know it will be better than Eden , Some think this life has beauty . It does to a degree ,because it was created perfectly before the fall and does retain some reminders of what it must have been like , but only partially . Even a beautiful flower eventually fades and dies . Now I can imagine Heaven even more perfect than before the fall ,where God Dwells .
The flesh is the issue . The sinfull desires ect are due to the ' body of flesh " . This all changes at glorification for those in Christ . So all those issues go away for me upon the redemption of my body at the return of Christ .Because it is not an impersonal entity that I do not understand. I know and understand it, and I know that IT is what I truly am. So I know IT better than my own individuated self.
The problem you faced was that despite what you practiced, you were unable to go beyond identifying yourself with the ego self. You were unable to perceive the higher self that you are from the ego self which you mistake yourself to be. That is why you said "I am still me". This thought of this ego me dissolving into the Greater Me fills you with dread and sadness and depression. Yet there is nothing there to be depressed about. It's a quantum jump in identity where your identity suddenly jumps from the ego-self to the true self. The curtain of self-obsession, self-centered thoughts and emotions, self-oriented internal monologues... all those things that feeds and sustains the ego self.... just breaks sway like the cracking of an egg shell. Then the golden true Self within emerges with its Vastness, Limitness vision and Immensity of Scope And Reach. And you become IT. You see then that were this the whole time, and the old ego self was simply a film that hid what you truly were. So why would I want stay forever in my older limited form?
I can assure you that this transformation happens. It happened with me and with many people who are and had been in this path for many thousand years. It is the Brahman of the Upanisads, the Form of the Good of Plato, the Dao of China, the unbinding of Buddha.
Since I have directly experienced this, I do not actually need any promises from any scriptures about heaven or anything else for reliance or justification. I simply use these scriptures sometimes as they can describe the thing more clearly than how I can express it. But I can quote Scriptures if you wish.
If you are counting on that to happen when Christ returns there should be support in the Bible that Christ is going to return, but there is not one single verse where Jesus says he is going to return to this world, and instead we have verses where Jesus says his work is finished here and he is no more in the world. Why then do Christians who claim to believe in the Bible believe that Jesus is coming back? It makes no sense at all.The flesh is the issue . The sinfull desires ect are due to the ' body of flesh " . This all changes at glorification for those in Christ . So all those issues go away for me upon the redemption of my body at the return of Christ .
Jesus taught Paul to write all what Jesus wanted to be taught to the Church in the 13 epistles. Now there's this odd teaching out there that says that Paul wrote contrary to Jesus . This is as silly as saying Moses wrote contrary to Jesus. Remember, Jesus didn't write anything.No, it is only the opposite of what Paul taught.
The fact that Christians are still on the earth means the Lord hasn't returned . So this verse is still pending . No one knows the exact moment of the rapture . It could be today or another 100 years . This is the wackiest argument to date . The whole book of revelation shows the Lords return. Yet future. None of the events have happened yet. The rapture happens first . Then when those who have died in Christ rise first and WE ( all believers) will meet the Lord in the air. Then the anti Christ is revealed and the great tribulation begins . This is the A B C ,sIf you are counting on that to happen when Christ returns there should be support in the Bible that Christ is going to return, but there is not one single verse where Jesus says he is going to return to this world, and instead we have verses where Jesus says his work is finished here and he is no more in the world. Why then do Christians who claim to believe in the Bible believe that Jesus is coming back? It makes no sense at all.
John 14:19 Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also.
John 17:11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.
John 17:4 I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.
John 19:30 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.
Then why is what Paul wrote so contrary to what Jesus taught?Jesus taught Paul to write all what Jesus wanted to be taught to the Church in the 13 epistles.
Of course .And for me that includes Christianity.
I SeeWell for this discussion, it would be see if what you have is better than what I have in Jesus.
It will be never unless Jesus lied or the Bible is in error.The fact that Christians are still on the earth means the Lord hasn't returned . So this verse is still pending . No one knows the exact moment of the rapture . It could be today or another 100 years .
The Book of Revelation refers to a man who will come with another name, not to Jesus.This is the wackiest argument to date . The whole book of revelation shows the Lords return. Yet future. None of the events have happened yet.
No, all the Christians are not going to go up in the air all at once and meet Jesus, defying gravity.The rapture happens first . Then when those who have died in Christ rise first and WE ( all believers) will meet the Lord in the air. Then the anti Christ is revealed and the great tribulation begins . This is the A B C ,s