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Does your belief / religion ect offer a better deal ?

Spirit of Light

Spirit of Light

Be who ever you want
Barry Johnson said:
Ok, and thank you for a reasoned honest answer. Its right on point . Your point here is exactly as far as I've ever discovered in other religions and is the same as I discovered prior to being a Christian . I was on a ' Journey ' so called , I was ever attaining but never arriving at the truth . I nearly left for Thailand at one point to live there to seek to join a Buddhist monastery. I followed eastern practices for over 15 years . Each time I thought I found ' peace ' it was short and fleeting , just enough I thought , enough for me to try harder ,meditate more ,read more . Always chasing the next level . Until deep anxiety and deep depression hit . Long story short . I found it in the most unlikely place. I had a weird idea about Jesus . Eastern mysticism had flipped the script about Jesus on its head. What I discovered was radically opposite as to what I was taught . Again, long story short . All religions are essentially the same attempt repackaged. Its alarming when you realise it . Its the same core principle with variation. Its as you say "to work extremely hard to achieve those things. and nothing is guarantieed." .
You can't have your cake and eat it philosophy. Everything i had absorbed actually hardened me against christianity. I rejected grace initially and the message of that grace given freely upon simply believing the one who died for me . I believed the answer ,the ' source ' was within me and my goal was to free myself from ' self ' in order to be the me i truly am . This ( on topic ) is what become s the goal for many. It was for me half of my life s focus .
What you said here ,I resonate with completely. //
No i have not all of that.
What you speak of in this post i answering to is only found in Christianity as far as i know.
In sufism i have to work extremely hard to achieve those things. and nothing is guarantieed.// This is the entire point of this thread. wow .
And you right //only found in Christianity//

In Jesus. Thats the missing puzzle piece to it all . To everything.
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All i can do is to do my best :)
 
sayak83

sayak83

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Barry Johnson said:
No when you recieve Jesus this happens.
Rom 8 .
11But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

22For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.

23And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
Spiritually im already redeemed . Physically, which is where I still suffer ect and will eventually physically die i am limited by my flesh. My future body which I receive when Christ returns will not be subject to temptation, sickness , pain, suffering, aging , sin ect .
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So what. You are still you limited unto yourself, like a moon reflecting sunlight but not becoming the sun itself. It's quite obvious that being a part of God is an entirely different thing than being with God but as a seperate individuated existence. Will you have infinite knowledge, presence, existence? Will you create universes, will you dwell in anything and everything? No you will not. That is the big difference.
 
J

John1.12

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sayak83 said:
So what. You are still you limited unto yourself, like a moon reflecting sunlight but not becoming the sun itself. It's quite obvious that being a part of God is an entirely different thing than being with God but as a seperate individuated existence. Will you have infinite knowledge, presence, existence? Will you create universes, will you dwell in anything and everything? No you will not. That is the big difference.
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We will have everything needed , first glorified bodies that as I've stated. We will be like him ( Jesus as stated in the sense and context of this verse , of course not God or as God )

1 John 3:2-3
King James Version

2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
There is somethings that are not fully explained as to every detail to what it will fully be and what it will be like exactly. I don't think we would grasp it fully if it was given. But a lot is given ,that blows my mind already. God's existence and the one we will share is not something I've experienced. Although you are given a ' experience ' of it when you recieve the Holy Spirit. But I guess as the verse describes above we do change spiritually now and we change then with glorification. From the biblical narrative, the desire to be relationally with the one who has created everything , fills me with Joy. To still experience love , joy and peace and be relational and experience that on a limitless and on a level I can only imagine. To live. The bible reveals that were kinda living such a ' dim ' life , like in back and white rather than full HD colour, with surround sound . or like a hologram and that actually this life is not as ' real ' as the next, with God . This is what I desire . To live with God . A greater existence, eternal. Learning, growing in love and joy . Beyond that I'm back in the fish bowl trying to imagine life without water . At best we have a tangible glimpse of heaven from Jesus, his life his resurrection and his words . When I used to believe similar to what you believe, I had to imagine ' myself ' no longer in the equation . As hard as I tried that never filled me with Joy . Only dread and sadness. Yes , now I long to be rid of my sin full body ,in replace of a new one, like Jesus s resurrected body , limitless in a way I don't understand yet . But I'm still me . I don't become a universe creator, no , I don't mergre into God , an impersonal energy that I don't know or understand, something I cannot relate to or have a relationship with ..I'm not sure why you see that as better?
 
sun rise

sun rise

The world is on fire
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Barry Johnson said:
Isn't it interesting how some folks refer to it as CE hmmmmm ?
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Why a "hmmm" when someone accurately refers to the "common era"?

Perhaps we should refer to it in terms of the life of Brahma, 311 TRILLION years according to the Vedas, older than the universe itself. Some reckon that we've just started entering the 51st year of Brahma's life, 155.521972944 trillion years. :D;):p
 
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John1.12

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sun rise said:
Why a "hmmm" when someone accurately refers to the "common era"?

Perhaps we should refer to it in terms of the life of Brahma, 311 TRILLION years according to the Vedas, older than the universe itself. Some reckon that we've just started entering the 51st year of Brahma's life, 155.521972944 trillion years. :D;):p
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Yes most religions place the date into the millions , billions , trillions, gazillions, Godzillions.
 
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Rival said:
No, because not every religion is based on the idea of salvation such as Christianity is. The concept of 'good news' is a Christian concept, so of course you won't find it anywhere else.
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I don't see ' good news ' anywhere else ,thats for sure .
 
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exchemist said:
Well indeed. But then you see, having been born in Edinburgh of English parents, I'm not a True Scotsman...............;)

I don't find viewing religion as a "deal" is an especially helpful attitude of mind,either. It's not a product on offer in a supermarket.
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For want of a better phrase . The point is all religions are making a claim.. A way . An exclusive ' path ' that is exclusive. A '
of how to attain or appease a diety through self effort/ denial ect . Even the ones that say " all religions lead to God " ..That is also an exclusive claim.
 
Vinayaka

Vinayaka

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My faith is the worst of plans. Achieving the goal relies on one person only: yourself. There is no saviour to save you, no scripture to give you enlightenment. It involves a ton of self-discipline, and another ton of two of hard work. There are no shortcuts whatsoever. You're on your own, with your own spine, and superconscious mind of the soul to figure it all out.

Having said that, there comes a time in the evolution of the soul where nothing else really matters. You've seen it all, you've experienced all this transitory world has to offer, and a powerful desire naturally wells up inside you, and you take the next step on the sojourn ... you sit down, sit still, and delve within, to the core of your being, and realise God, within. Nobody said it was going to be easy. In fact, just the opposite.
 
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Trailblazer said:
It is not really free, because you have to believe what Christians believe in order to get the gift.
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The biblical term is ' not through the works of the law' Belief is not a ' work ' and its salvation by Grace ,not works . Better said in this verse .
Eph 2

8For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

9Not of works, lest any man should boast.
 
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