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Featured Does your belief / religion ect offer a better deal ?

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by John1.12, May 1, 2021.

  1. John1.12

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    The discussion here is based on what the requirements for your belief/ religion are . What is required of you to do in order to attain. Its immediate benefits/ results and its future promise / fulfilment.
    Now this of course is based on whether or not said belief is true or not. But first let's discuss what's on offer here and my argument is , I don't believe anyone can offer more than I already have ,as a bible believing Christian . Not immediately or in the future.
     
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    Carry on then. :)
     
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    In my opinion the requirements of my belief are to live a virtuous life. I don't really care if it is offering you more or less than what you already believe in because it may be the case that what you believe in is untrue, so who cares if you can like any politician promise more and then not deliver?
     
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    Yeah of course it matters if its true or not . But mainly this discussion could be had on the basis of if it is true then what's the ' best offer ' here ? I haven't heard of anything better than I already have .
     
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    By comparison , there is nothing that any belief system could possibly offer more than I already have .
     
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    To become a muslim (i believe it counts for all forms of Islam ) One recite the Shahada. That is the moment one step in to the path of Islam. (i personally only speak out of my nderstanding of Sufism, not about the other branches)
    Is it immidiate benefits or results? That depend upon how much effort a person put in to it, and how focused one are in the practice. Some will experience fast progress in the practice, others will not.

    In the headline you ask if the path we chose is a better deal? for whom? Personally it was the right choice for me to enter Sufism, but can i say everyone else would benefit from it? No i can not.
     
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    In a nutshell, what is the offer that you have?
     
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    But if either position was true , if its a fair thought experiment. ( of course I believe what I believe is true ) We could possibly agree i may have the better offer . I would challenge anyone to better , a genuine recognised truth claim that offers more than I have .
     
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    We couldn't agree without knowing in a nutshell what your offer is so lets start there.
     
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    I'm a Christian, so from what you understand about Christianity would you say that Islam offers the better plan and Goal ? Some factors to consider would be ' assurance, certainty, self effort to ' attain ' through good deeds ect
     
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    ..which is why I said what I said. :)
     
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    I see it as two different teachings seeking to elevate the followers to the paradise each teaching speak of. So i am not going to say Sufism is better or the only true way to God. For me it seems to help me realize deeper wisdom than i held in the past. So sufism is right for me.
    The difference as i understand it is that Christianity speak of Jesus has taken the sin of every person for all eternaty, so it does not matter what the person actually do, as long they believe in Jesus they go to heaven. This is not the teaching within Sufism, Sufism speak of the path that lead to each person awakening to the thruth by their own effort to better them self, and removal of all the bad habbits they may hold. So sufism is much more about realizing the truth from within, than believing that Allah or Muhammad take us to paradise just because we believe in them.
     
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    What is offered to whosoever is certainty of reconciliation to God , Peace with God , The gift of the Holy Spirit, fellowship with God , Guaranteed eternal life in heaven when you die . No fear of death ect .
     
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    Since preaching and proselytising are against the rules, I don't think anyone is trying to offer you anything in terms of a new religion. Not to mention, you seem so happy with yours that you only seem to want to tell us how much better your religion is. It's not really a good opening for discussion.

    In any case, Kemeticism teaches me I need to be a good person and have a light heart.
     
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    I do not know what exactly you believe. However the trouble with most people who call themselves "bible-believing" Christians (thereby falsely and absurdly implying that other Christians aren't:rolleyes:) is that it demands that adherents sacrifice their God-given intellect, by believing things that can be shown to be absurd.

    In my view that is a terrible "deal", given that we only have one life and that our intellect is the biggest gift we have.
     
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    So just from a overview I can see that the good news in Jesus is not surpassed by your good news. Is that fair ? If indeed its true that the prerequisite to recieve eternal life is ' believing the Gospel ' , believing what Jesus has done for our sins , but this is needed to be recieved simply through faith. ?
     
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    Is it fair to say ,each religion / truth claim is presenting ' good news ' ? my discussion is essentially this . I believe there is no greater good news to be found anywhere else, other than what I have . But I'm open to hear if there is ?
     
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    Well I'm a universalist, so I believe in certainty of *eventual* reconcilliation with God for whoever desires it, I believe in eternal life for everyone, but I believe in a spectrum of spiritual development rather than a binary heaven/hell state. And I also believe that those wishing to progress in virtue may progress in spiritual development after death. I couldn't ethically promise you no fear of dying though, because that is a natural part of the physical response to an existential threat, the only way to block such a physical response that i know of is through use of substances I would not recommend such as cocaine.
     
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    on paper I think , possibly, we could all agree ?
     
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    If you follow the Bible, Islam is easier for you.
     
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