fullyveiled muslimah said:
It has been revealed to us through our Nabi (saw) that there are in fact 46 parts of nubuwwat (prophethood).
Yes, I got this
LITTLE information from Proud Muslim from the
Ishmael is not a prophet thread:
Proud Muslim said:
Back to the point, don't shift the topic here. The fact is Hagar is not considered prophet in the Judeo-Christian scriptures even though she fits their prophethood criteria, why not discuss this inconsistency in another thread? Signs of prophethood in Islam are 45, not only two which you have mentioned.
Proud Muslim said:
We have hadith that will translate as the following "The correct vision into future is a part of 46 parts of prophethood". Personally i can't help you any further listing the remaining parts but maybe someone with deeper knowledge about this topic will help better.
Just so you know its not 45, but 46 and its not 'signs' but 'parts' whatever the difference is.
Can you show me when in the Qur'an and Hadith talk of the 46 signs.
- And do you care to elaborate these 46 signs that fit a person to the criteria of being prophethood, because I have already asked what these 46 signs are?
She didn't elaborate, and when asked what 46 signs that Ishmael had, she again didn't elaborate:
Proud Muslim said:
We have hadith that will translate as the following "The correct vision into future is a part of 46 parts of prophethood". Personally i can't help you any further listing the remaining parts but maybe someone with deeper knowledge about this topic will help better.
Proud Muslim said:
I said i don't know myself what are the 46 parts of prophethood, didn't i?
- Now would you care to tell me what 46 signs that Ishmael had?
The Qur'an has listed Ishmael as being a prophet. Ishmael had no visions and no visitations given in the Torah's and bible's Genesis. So there must be 46 signs from Ishmael, otherwise he isn't a prophet
But since you say that there are 46 signs, then prove it by giving me exactly 46 signs that Ishmael had.
Otherwise the Hadith is nothing but BS, especially if you can't provide me 46 signs of each and every prophet, listed in your Qur'an.
The Qur'an ignored many of the prophets not in your list, but they were prophets in the Tanakh and in the Bible.
The Qur'an completely ignored Samuel and Nathan, very important prophets in the time of King Saul and King David (in books 1 and 2 of Samuel).
Just because they are not listed in the Qur'an doesn't mean they weren't prophets. A number of prophets never wrote a single book or letter, and yet they were mentioned in the non-Islamic scriptures.
- Do you ignore them, simply because they are not in your precious list?
fullyveiled muslimah said:
If you take the time to use your common sense, you would see the wisdom in actually not sending a female for that particular kind of rigorous work. Think back 10,000 years or so or even 3,000 years. Do you really think a female could have held such a station with the gross forms of oppression that women lived under as the norm? If nothing else she would have been dismissed out of hand just of the fact that she was a she and not a he.
If you take the time to use your common sense yourself, and see that I have already given 4 references that explicitly say that Miriam, Deborah, Huldah and Anna were prophetesses, then who are you to dismiss them out of the hand.
I have backup my points with sources in post #17.
What have you given me?
Nothing than your opinion about women, with no sources to back up your position. You have said 46 signs, and that men are different from women, and yet you have no sources to either women can't be prophetesses or the 46 signs of Ishmael of being a prophet.
So you would have to realise your argument (and Proud Muslim's in the other thread) is weak and flawed.
fullyveiled muslimah said:
You think you know so much, but you fail to realize that you cannot redefine what Islam's points of belief are.
Don't be a fool.
I am not asking you to redefine Islam. Neither Qur'an nor Sunnah clearly prohibit women from being female prophets, so how can Islam be redefined.
Judaism at least accept these women (except Anna) as being prophetesses.
- Are you dismissing their scriptures, because your Qur'an don't mention any woman, and yet don't prohibit it either?
And you have dismissed my view/reasoning and more importantly, my textual evidences, out of hand, so why should I even considered your opinion as being mean authorities, when you can't even backup your opinion with your sources.
fullyveiled muslimah said:
Like the other thread you opened about Ismail (as) not being a prophet. For one why would you care since you don't believe it yourself.
Knowledge, FVM (fullyveiled muslimah). Knowledge.
Just because I don't have the belief in the Judaeo-Christian or Islamic religion, don't mean I don't care to gain knowledge. I care about knowledge.
I like researching mythology, legend and folklore, with side interests in history, arts, architectures and religions.
Do you know how many people believe your faith and other faiths, and yet they don't even understand what they believe?