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The Lost One
In another thread that I started, Ishmael is not a prophet, it was to display that Ishmael is not Judaeo-Christian sources, namely the Genesis in the Tanakh or Bible, though the Islamic Qur'an listed him as one of the prophets. Ishmael could be a patriarch for the Ishmaelites, but there seemed to be no biblical evidences to say that he was a prophet.
Then I gave example that Hagar had fulfilled the requirement of prophethood more so than her son, because twice a divine agent (either god or angel) spoke to her (Genesis 16 & 21:9-21), and revealed that her son (Ishmael) would be ancestor of nation, separate to that of Isaac's line.
I got into debate with Proud Muslim of whether a woman can be a prophet (prophetess) or not.
Her examples is that none one woman was listed in the Qur'an to be prophetess, and that women were not strong enough to be prophets (eg. men are stronger than women). She also say that since women were not listed in the Qur'an that they were prohibited from becoming prophets, even though such explicit prohibition (which she later admitted) are absence in the Qur'an.
I, on the other hand, argue that physical strength has nothing to do with a person being a prophet, and that both Hagar and Sarah (Genesis 18:9-15) were prophetesses, and listed
My last example to Proud Muslim is that Miriam, sister of Moses, was explicitly linked to being a prophetess (Exodus 15:20).
Anyway, this new topic is not about Ishmael, but whether Jews, Christians or Muslims (or any other Abrahamic religions) believe that women can be prophetesses or not:
Then I gave example that Hagar had fulfilled the requirement of prophethood more so than her son, because twice a divine agent (either god or angel) spoke to her (Genesis 16 & 21:9-21), and revealed that her son (Ishmael) would be ancestor of nation, separate to that of Isaac's line.
I got into debate with Proud Muslim of whether a woman can be a prophet (prophetess) or not.
Her examples is that none one woman was listed in the Qur'an to be prophetess, and that women were not strong enough to be prophets (eg. men are stronger than women). She also say that since women were not listed in the Qur'an that they were prohibited from becoming prophets, even though such explicit prohibition (which she later admitted) are absence in the Qur'an.
I, on the other hand, argue that physical strength has nothing to do with a person being a prophet, and that both Hagar and Sarah (Genesis 18:9-15) were prophetesses, and listed
My last example to Proud Muslim is that Miriam, sister of Moses, was explicitly linked to being a prophetess (Exodus 15:20).
Anyway, this new topic is not about Ishmael, but whether Jews, Christians or Muslims (or any other Abrahamic religions) believe that women can be prophetesses or not:
- If you believe women you can explain why, and give examples of who these women were.
- If you don't, then you can also explain why women can't become prophetesses?
- Do strength matters?
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