You’re not wrong.Trails that say they will get you to the peak
except there isn't one.
Welcome to Religious Forums, a friendly forum to discuss all religions in a friendly surrounding.
Your voice is missing! You will need to register to get access to the following site features:We hope to see you as a part of our community soon!
You’re not wrong.Trails that say they will get you to the peak
except there isn't one.
Of course.It's not the destination...it's the journey.
And that journey better have good food, clean
bathrooms, & wonderful views along the way.
One might think that God, being an omnipotentOf course.
Trouble with always trying to find
"God" Is, those who think they are
seekers are just looking for something
Out There when it's in their own head.
I have never thought the idea that “all roads lead to God or spiritual truth “ made any sense, even before I ever trusted and came to know Jesus as my Savior.
This is not a debate section, so I’m just interested in anyone’s thoughts on the subject?
As if anyone Iives on an actual peakYou use it to give you perspective, of course.
It is pointless if you are content with having only one perspective on things, a "worm's eye view" versus a bird's eye view, for instance.
That's not true. Many build permanent residences up in the mountains. Some only come up for a visit once in a while. Others are just happy looking at it, living out there life at its base. And still others live in denial of its existence. "Mountain? What mountain?", as they look the other direction out across the planes.
I seldom amYou’re not wrong.
I wonder sometimes if it is the followers of the religions themselves who mistake the teachings of their own religions about "right ways and wrong ways" to mean "right religions and wrong religions"?
... .
Maybe if we changed that saying to saying "All roads lead to Jesus"?
There is a description of the rebirth cycle here which is a completely wrong understanding of both Hinduism and Buddhism. Since this is not a debate thread, I will not broach this topic here. But if you are interested, I can start a thread and invite you.Maybe if we changed that saying to saying "All roads lead to Jesus"?
So, let's say that the road I am taking is the road of "works to make me perfect" and I set up a good set of laws to reach God. But as I set up the law I realize that the more laws I have the more I miss perfectness This ultimately leads me to "There has to be a better way because my perfectness isn't hacking it" and I realize that Jesus is the answer.
Or maybe I believe, "I must be born again and again and again" until I can be perfect wherein I realize to be perfect I still have to be perfect.... pointing me to a better way, Jesus.
Or I must eliminate all earthly desires and as I try to eliminate it I realize there is always one more thing I have to deal with in me and realize, "there must be a better way"... leading me to Jesus.
Maybe all roads lead to the summit mountain of Jesus and the Cross (obviously within the viewpoint of my signature)
Trouble with always trying to find
"God" Is, those who think they are
seekers are just looking for something
Out There when it's in their own head.
Yes... thus my signature.Since my understanding and belief is different, I word that as "All roads (many incarnations) lead to the eternal Christ" because to me the Eastern word "avatar" is the same as "Christ".
I definitely see and experience the world far differently than I used to. Growth or development always leads you to higher altitudes, or higher or more inclusive, or wider perspectives than you used to have. The question for you seems to be, is there such thing as a higher perspective? Is there anything greater than what we are right now that we can become. Some say no. Others say yes.As if anyone Iives on an actual peak
still less on the metaphorical one
that's the actual topic.
Indeed that is true. But you don't understand what that really means, until you reach that peak. "I am that which I seek", does not translate into "the ego is all there is".As for "perspective", we refer you tok
Saintly Augustine, atop a real mountain.
Where all he saw was himself.
That is true. There are horizontal perspectives, and vertical perspectives. We're talking about the mountain, so that's talking about vertical perspectives.And point out that there's a whole lot of
perspectives that hardly require a mountain.
You see nothing, and everything. It's a shift in how we frame and exist in reality itself. What we thought was everything was nothing. What we thought was nothing is everything.Further that if all you are looking for
and expect or allow yourself to see from
any prison cell or scenic overview is
yourself, in the form of some " god"
you imagine, your roads and perspectives
lead youv where to see nothing.
The Bible says something very close to that: Luke 17:21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.
Clearly you are a Christian even if you don't realize it consciously
No doubt you think youve reached someI definitely see and experience the world far differently than I used to. Growth or development always leads you to higher altitudes, or higher or more inclusive, or wider perspectives than you used to have. The question for you seems to be, is there such thing as a higher perspective? Is there anything greater than what we are right now that we can become. Some say no. Others say yes.
Indeed that is true. But you don't understand what that really means, until you reach that peak. "I am that which I seek", does not translate into "the ego is all there is".
That is true. There are horizontal perspectives, and vertical perspectives. We're talking about the mountain, so that's talking about vertical perspectives.
You see nothing, and everything. It's a shift in how we frame and exist in reality itself. What we thought was everything was nothing. What we thought was nothing is everything.
I have never thought the idea that “all roads lead to God or spiritual truth “ made any sense, even before I ever trusted and came to know Jesus as my Savior.
This is not a debate section, so I’m just interested in anyone’s thoughts on the subject?
“Imagine a city where a green light could mean go to some and stop to others. The determining factor as to what a green light meant was up to each individual. What would be the end result? Chaos and catastrophe, and no one would get to where they were attempting to go.
The same is true for the “all roads lead to God” type of thinking. There has to be a universal standard for entering the heavenly kingdom, because contradictory beliefs cannot be a pathway to the same destination. This is why Jesus made it clear to the disciples on multiple occasions that the only way to heaven is through Him.“
Appealing And Inclusive Lies: Why All Roads Can't Lead To The Truth
No, I'm not so arrogant to think I have arrived. But it's not arrogant to say that I have definitely moved to a different or higher perspective than I had before. To call that arrogant, would be like saying it's arrogant to say we are wiser as a 60 year old, than we were when we were 20.No doubt you think youve reached some
peak and are so enlightened.
A lot of people claim a lot of things, and coopt things from others that they themselves haven't earned yet, nor could ever come up with on their own for where they are at. That doesn't mean you get to ignore people who actually do know something.We hear the same from bedrock fundies
who insist God guides now their
understanding as see so clearly that
Genesis is all accurate history.
But the problem is, there actually is show. There are actual fruits. There are actual differences. There is actual, measurable, observable differences. To simply call that lying, or fake, or untrue, speaks what it does about those who deny the evidence of evolution and call that fake. It speaks more about themselves in their denialism. It speaks of their fear, not what is really real.As with them it's all talk and posturing,
all show but no go.
But that's assuming that what you believe is the absolute truth and that you can somehow speak for God.The same is true for the “all roads lead to God” type of thinking. There has to be a universal standard for entering the heavenly kingdom, because contradictory beliefs cannot be a pathway to the same destination. This is why Jesus made it clear to the disciples on multiple occasions that the only way to heaven is through Him.“
Perhaps it ought to be in a debate section, but this really depends on what "God" is. Your god? No, all roads do not lead there. Oneness with the divine? More closer to the mark.
I've once compared faiths (religions) to paths up a mountain; all have - more or less - the same goal; getting to the summit (i.e. oneness with the divine/spiritual). Some paths are paved, some rough and wild. Some are easier, some are harder. Some chose no path at all, and climb wild up the side. And still yet others choose not to climb at all for reasons that are their own. No path is necessarily better than the other, and all serve the purpose of those who choose to walk or climb them, with our gods as our guides.
I have never thought the idea that “all roads lead to God or spiritual truth “ made any sense, even before I ever trusted and came to know Jesus as my Savior.
This is not a debate section, so I’m just interested in anyone’s thoughts on the subject?
“Imagine a city where a green light could mean go to some and stop to others. The determining factor as to what a green light meant was up to each individual. What would be the end result? Chaos and catastrophe, and no one would get to where they were attempting to go.
The same is true for the “all roads lead to God” type of thinking. There has to be a universal standard for entering the heavenly kingdom, because contradictory beliefs cannot be a pathway to the same destination. This is why Jesus made it clear to the disciples on multiple occasions that the only way to heaven is through Him.“
Appealing And Inclusive Lies: Why All Roads Can't Lead To The Truth