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Featured A Serious Question To Self-Proclaimed Atheists ...

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by PureX, Oct 24, 2021.

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  1. AppieB

    AppieB Member

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    You say you're a theist and in your profile it says "Christian".
    Do you believe God exists?
     
  2. PureX

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    I am not making up any definitions. I am simply ignoring all the misapplied ones.
     
  3. mikkel_the_dane

    mikkel_the_dane Shadow Wolf's Aspie sibling

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    So you decide that your understanding is correct for something which is in part subjective and declare all other versions wrong. Okay, you can do that. And others will still do it differently.
     
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  4. Evangelicalhumanist

    Evangelicalhumanist "Truth" isn't a thing...
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    This is the definition of "theism" from Merriam-Webster Dictionary:

    "belief in the existence of a god or gods -- specifically: belief in the existence of one God viewed as the creative source of the human race and the world who transcends yet is immanent in the world."

    This is from the Oxford Reference: "Belief in the existence of a god or gods, especially belief in one god as creator of the universe, intervening in it and sustaining a personal relation to his creatures."

    Collins English Dictionary: "the form of the belief in one God as the transcendent creator and ruler of the universe."

    In fact, everywhere I look, theism is defined as a BELIEF.

    Why do you want to turn it into something else?
     
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  5. ratiocinator

    ratiocinator Lightly seared on the reality grill.

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    Then where did you get them from because people (myself included) have pointed at actual definitions from reputable sources?
    You mean the ones that come from standard dictionaries and from the very people who hold the position that you addressed this thread to ("self-proclaimed atheists")? It's not up to you to re-define the language and other people's beliefs because they don't fit nicely with what you want to be true.

    Trying to deny that you're ignoring the standard English usage and using a straw man fallacy, is rather pointless as it's blindingly obvious that is what you are doing. The evidence is all over this thread.
     
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  6. PureX

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    No, I don't believe God exists. I don't believe God doesn't exist, either. Why would I 'believe' either when I have no way available to me of making such a determination? I don't even know how a God could exist given the basic idea that God is the source, sustenance, and purpose of all that is.

    I'm a theist because I choose to accept the possibility of God existing, and I choose to conceptualize that possibility in a way that brings value into my life when I act in accordance with it.

    I am a Christian only in the sense that I agree with the basic revelation and promise of Christianity as I understand it. That is that a divine spirit within us can and will heal us and save us from ourselves if we will allow ourselves to embody it. And we can then help to heal and save others, too.

    I am also a Taoist in that I accept that as a human being I cannot know the Way. But I can embody it, nevertheless, through honesty, humility, and spontaneity.
     
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    Yeah, I don't care. Dictionaries only record all the ways we use words. Including all the stupid ways we use them. They are not an arbiter of the logical use of words.

    If you have to run to a dictionary to justify your use of a word because you couldn't do so logically, yourself, then ... I'm not likely to accept your use of the word.
     
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  8. Sheldon

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    :laughing::laughing::laughing::laughing::laughing::laughing::laughing:

    The Oxford English dictionary are misapplying word definitions, someone should really let them know.

    :laughing::laughing::laughing::laughing::laughing::laughing::laughing:
     
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  9. Sheldon

    Sheldon Well-Known Member

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    You have claimed to believe in a deity in this very thread.

    Now how does that go something something pants on fire?
     
  10. 9-10ths_Penguin

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    And yet you get a mental "blue screen of death" when you hear the word "atheist." Weird.
     
  11. Sheldon

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    The hilarity becomes ever more palpable. At least you've stopped the pointless sophistry that you are not contradicting the dictionary definition of words, but then that ship of sophistry had pretty much sailed.

    now that you have abandoned the dictionary I suppose we can all use whatever words we want to mean anything we want

    Shoebox, boot polish, elastic band....that would previously have been this should be fun, this is the last time I'll explain the new words though.

    Only to PureX of course, since these are his made up rules.
     
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  12. AppieB

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    But you call yourself a theist and a Christian?
    And you call out on atheists that they have their definition wrong... :confused:
     
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    :smirk::wink:
     
  14. AppieB

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    Sounds a bit like an agnostic to me.

    So you don't really care if what you believe is true. You are just faking it because you thinks it's valuable.

    Hey, whatever rocks your boat. But I find it peculiar you call atheists "illogical".
     
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  15. Koldo

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    I am not sure on what you mean by 'logical reason'. Can you further elaborate?

    Justice is an ideal, not a discrete entity that exists outside of our minds.
     
  16. Evangelicalhumanist

    Evangelicalhumanist "Truth" isn't a thing...
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    Well, okay then. But in that case, you have definitely merely set up a straw man. And that makes your question unanswerable and not worth pursuing.
     
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  17. Revoltingest

    Revoltingest Abnormal before it was fashionable
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    Aye, he's a self identified Christian who doesn't believe his God exists.
    But he scorns us because we don't believe any gods exist.
    That is not organized thinking.
     
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  18. ratiocinator

    ratiocinator Lightly seared on the reality grill.

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    Whereas you are...? :facepalm:
    The first step in using logic is to make sure your terms are defined. You can't determine the meaning of a term using logic alone, that makes zero sense. Dictionary definitions may contain different senses and there may be specialist senses which aren't there, but people here have been absolutely crystal clear about what they mean, and referenced the normal usage.

    You've just been stamping your foot and refusing to accept it, not because you've given any logic (you haven't), but apparently just because you don't like the implications.
     
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  19. PureX

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    God is first and foremost an ideal (the source, sustenance, and purpose of all that is). Whether or not we choose to imagine God as a "discrete entity" doesn't change that. I could choose to imagine justice as a blindfolded woman holding a set of scales, but that doesn't change the fact that justice is an ideal.
     
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  20. AppieB

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    So tell me, what is de logical definition of the word: vulling
     
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