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Featured A Serious Question To Self-Proclaimed Atheists ...

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by PureX, Oct 24, 2021.

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  1. It Aint Necessarily So

    It Aint Necessarily So Well-Known Member
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    That's what you call an honest and direct answer?

    An honest and direct answer would be, "I would lack a belief in your claims because [whatever your reason]." You never got to the second half of that. You didn't answer his second question. And since you didn't, inquisitive and analytical people will speculate on why. Why did you decide to not give your reasons? The likeliest explanation is that you sensed that it could be shown that if you gave a reason, it would be the same reason your god claims aren't believed by skeptics - there's no reason to believe them. Nor could you say, "I have no reason." So, you just acted like the question wasn't there.

    I've explained to you before how these kinds of answers undermine your ethos, which I've mentioned refers to the meta-messages a speaker or writer sends his audience in addition to the explicit meaning of his argument, such as does he seem knowledgeable, does he seem sincere, does he seem credible, does he seem trustworthy, does he show good judgment, does he seem to have a hidden agenda, is he more interested in convincing with impartial argument or persuading with emotive language or specious argumentation, and the like.

    In this case, why is he evading questions? It's certainly not because you have a sound argument that you could have articulated, but decided to ignore the question anyway. You don't shy away from the game when you think you have an answer. So, I conclude that you have no confidence in your ability to answer the question, and thus don't really understand your argument, either.
     
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  2. Sheldon

    Sheldon Well-Known Member

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    It's what I think, I don't believe in any deity or deities, nothing more nothing less. Your claims are not an accurate representation of my atheism. I am also an agnostic about all unfalsifiable claims. You can deny this ad infinitum, but I'll keep posting the truth, as I know what I think.
     
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  3. SkepticThinker

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    "I understand your position better than you do!"

    Hilarious.
     
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  4. ratiocinator

    ratiocinator Lightly seared on the reality grill.

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    I know, I've been reading your posts. :rolleyes:
    Theism isn't even a single proposition. Yet again: nobody has yet made a case for any theist proposition that I find in the least bit convincing. That means I have no reason to accept them, which is not the same as knowing they are wrong. It's possible for somebody to be entirely right for very bad reasons, just by chance. It's also possible that there is some form of theism that comes with some convincing reason to take it seriously, and I haven't yet encountered it or its reasons. In addition, it's possible that some being or beings exist that deserves the title god or gods but that has provided no means by which humans can know about it or them.

    Since I do no deny these possibilities, I am an agnostic atheist, somebody who sees no reason to accept the existence of any gods but accepts the aforementioned possibilities, as has been explained to you by many people now. I'd appreciate it if you'd stop calling us all dishonest.
     
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  5. Augustus

    Augustus the Unreasonable

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    Yes it is.

    Disbelief is the belief something is not true.
     
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  6. Sheldon

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    It was at first, the humour is wearing off his sophistry for me. ;)
     
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  7. Sheldon

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    No, my atheism is not a belief, I believe I've mentioned this once or twice. I just don't believe their claims for any extant deity.

    No, atheism is not a belief, and my atheism is not based on a belief.

    No, I have never seen any theist ever demonstrate anything approaching objective evidence, so I don't believe them when they keep making the bare claim they have evidence.

    It's not my belief, so it's idiotic to expect me to tell the person who holds the belief what evidence they should demonstrate. They should know what the most compelling evidence or reason is for their belief, but it always turns out to be pure assumption and subjective opinion.

    I am an atheist, because I don't believe in any deity or deities.

    I only believe ideas that are supported by sufficient objective evidence, and I hold no belief that i won't revise or abandon if the evidence requires it.

    Your ball, champ.
     
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  8. PureX

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    Well then stop just repeating this silly "unbelief" mantra ad nauseam and try addressing what you DO believe.
     
  9. Sheldon

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    o_O

    Disbelief
    noun
    1. inability or refusal to accept that something is true or real.
    I don't think disbelief is a belief?
     
  10. Sheldon

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    I believe you are wrong, and atheism is not a belief.
     
  11. PureX

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    No, that's the answer he wanted to hear. The honest answer is that asking about 'belief' is irrelevant where there is none. Just as making silly statements about one's 'unbelief' is irrelevant because there is none.
     
  12. Sheldon

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    Ahdaboy, now you're getting it, there is no belief in unbelief, as you say..."there is none"..

    Well done, it took a while but I think you got there.
     
  13. Augustus

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    A belief is a cognitive position you take on an issue.

    Refusal to believe something is true is such a position. It's not the absence of such a position.

    Whether you believe it true or you believe it untrue it's still a belief.
     
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  14. Sheldon

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    A belief is a belief, well yes, but disbelief is not a belief, that's manifest in the definition, I posted it above. Refusing to believe something does not mean you believe the opposite.

    Disbelief is defined as inability or refusal to accept that something is true or real.

    I also see the word or in the definition, so it is not just a refusal, that is one possibility, it can also be an inability to believe something is true. I am unable to believe a deity exist, because no one can demsonrate any objective evidence to support the claim. So my atheism is demonstrably not a belief, but it is a disbelief.
     
  15. Augustus

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    There is no practical difference between believing something doesn't exist and refusing to believe that it does exist (regardless of whether or not one wants to quibble a grammatical difference)



    Adopting the cognitive position that something is not true due to insufficient evidence is a belief.
     
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  16. Rival

    Rival Divine Adoratrice of Amun
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    ***THREAD LOCKED***
     
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