Maybe religion/ religious people

[Justanatheist]

Im sorry. Maybe I am ignorant on this. Are you referring to a particular scripture? If so, which one?

Honestly I dont know this. I have never heard this in my entire life. If this is the case, this is revelation to me.

Here is some more for you, I have seen these arguments used on this forum, but you will just have to believe me on that.

Believe No One Who Calls Himself an Atheist
If what Paul says in Romans 1 is true, there is ultimately no such thing as an atheist. Anyone who calls himself one is wrong on at least three fronts.

First, someone who claims to be an atheist is suppressing the truth he knows. According to Romans 1, “What can be known about God is plain to them” (v. 19), and their denial is an expression of the fact that they are among those “men, who by their unrighteousness suppress the truth” (v. 18). Therefore, whatever they believe about themselves, the God who made them says otherwise, and we must believe God rather than man.

Second, anyone who claims to be an atheist is contradicting the God of truth. It is one thing for a person to be wrong about himself. It is quite another thing for him to be in disagreement with what God says about him. God says every man knows. Therefore, anyone who says he doesn’t know is calling God a liar. It’s a bit like a man arguing with his mother about what day he was born. Only in this case, it’s not his mother, but his inerrant, infallible, Creator.

Third, anyone who claims to be an atheist is ignoring his greatest need, and his only hope for its fulfillment. Man’s greatest and ultimate need is God. Apart from God, man is incomplete. Moreover, he is utterly incapable of achieving or attaining what he lacks. This is what drove Solomon to write, “Then I considered all that my hands had done and the toil I had expended in doing it, and behold, all was vanity and a striving after wind, and there was nothing to be gained under the sun” (Eccles. 2:11). This is the state of every person apart from God.

Why There’s No Such Thing as an Atheist

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Here is some more for you, I have seen these arguments used on this forum, but you will just have to believe me on that.

Believe No One Who Calls Himself an Atheist
If what Paul says in Romans 1 is true, there is ultimately no such thing as an atheist. Anyone who calls himself one is wrong on at least three fronts.

First, someone who claims to be an atheist is suppressing the truth he knows. According to Romans 1, “What can be known about God is plain to them” (v. 19), and their denial is an expression of the fact that they are among those “men, who by their unrighteousness suppress the truth” (v. 18). Therefore, whatever they believe about themselves, the God who made them says otherwise, and we must believe God rather than man.

Second, anyone who claims to be an atheist is contradicting the God of truth. It is one thing for a person to be wrong about himself. It is quite another thing for him to be in disagreement with what God says about him. God says every man knows. Therefore, anyone who says he doesn’t know is calling God a liar. It’s a bit like a man arguing with his mother about what day he was born. Only in this case, it’s not his mother, but his inerrant, infallible, Creator.

Third, anyone who claims to be an atheist is ignoring his greatest need, and his only hope for its fulfillment. Man’s greatest and ultimate need is God. Apart from God, man is incomplete. Moreover, he is utterly incapable of achieving or attaining what he lacks. This is what drove Solomon to write, “Then I considered all that my hands had done and the toil I had expended in doing it, and behold, all was vanity and a striving after wind, and there was nothing to be gained under the sun” (Eccles. 2:11). This is the state of every person apart from God.

Why There’s No Such Thing as an Atheist

Sure. There are people, who view atheists like that.

 

[Mock Turtle]

Sorry to hear about you family, hope it resolves itself soon.
I can tell you that there are views expressed here I would not tolerate in the "real" world.

Well as to the money issues, it's much like many things when some get fixed beliefs that can't be shifted, and it just doesn't matter to me that much. Our family was never that close even if there was never much conflict either. I'm sure we don't miss each other (two older brothers and families) in our lives.

Some of the views expressed here do fall into line with what I would expect of some but of course I don't know how representative they are of the people and countries where they come from.

 

[SalixIncendium]

In my experience, the primary purpose of spirituality (or lack thereof) is understanding and/or improving oneself and one's existence. Many religious people seem to forget this, and treat their spirituality or religion like a hobby or toy.

Just because you find personal bliss in philetilism or Fortnite doesn't mean everyone does. I think it's okay to share your enthusiasm, but don't just assume others will find bliss in what you do. There are those that can find bliss without stamps or video games (unless they're trying to send a letter, of course).

 

[SalixIncendium]

I'd rather just judge people...

I'd rather not.

 

[Spirit of Light]

In my experience, the primary purpose of spirituality (or lack thereof) is understanding and/or improving oneself and one's existence. Many religious people seem to forget this, and treat their spirituality or religion like a hobby or toy.

Just because you find personal bliss in philetilism or Fortnite doesn't mean everyone does. I think it's okay to share your enthusiasm, but don't just assume others will find bliss in what you do. There are those that can find bliss without stamps or video games (unless they're trying to send a letter, of course).

As a sufi I can only speak from my own experience, so everyone is free to understand it their way my way is not the highway

 

[SalixIncendium]

I think it is rather funny how atheists are the bogeymen on this forum, which is strange when you consider atheists rarely use atheism to explain away any bigotry they have.

There are a few here that do this, but in my experience, this is certainly not the majority. There are many here that respect atheist views.

I think this goes in both directions, though. There are atheists here that condemn religious or spiritual people in the same fashion.

 

[SalixIncendium]

You only have to read some of the religious texts to see how thin skinned gods are, I am a jealous god springs to mind. Then there is the god who tells us atheists do not exist, hardly surprising then that some followers are so touchy, it comes from their alleged god.

Your experience with religious texts appears to be quite limited.

Which ones have you read?

 

[SalixIncendium]

Well from a personal point of view in the UK I grew up in, religion was mostly such a gentle thing, so when I see views being imported from the US and going on in my backyard I am going to try to stop it.

How does this differ from a religious person trying to stop atheist views in their own neck of the woods?

 

[firedragon]

Suppression of the truth versus ignorance of the truth is what Paul will show in our passage today, proving that there is no such thing as an atheist or even atheism for that matter.

Atheism does not exist! Romans 1:19-20

Ah. Thats more like an apologetic piece brother. I dont accept that to mean there are no atheists.

 

[firedragon]

Here is some more for you, I have seen these arguments used on this forum, but you will just have to believe me on that.

Believe No One Who Calls Himself an Atheist
If what Paul says in Romans 1 is true, there is ultimately no such thing as an atheist. Anyone who calls himself one is wrong on at least three fronts.

First, someone who claims to be an atheist is suppressing the truth he knows. According to Romans 1, “What can be known about God is plain to them” (v. 19), and their denial is an expression of the fact that they are among those “men, who by their unrighteousness suppress the truth” (v. 18). Therefore, whatever they believe about themselves, the God who made them says otherwise, and we must believe God rather than man.

Second, anyone who claims to be an atheist is contradicting the God of truth. It is one thing for a person to be wrong about himself. It is quite another thing for him to be in disagreement with what God says about him. God says every man knows. Therefore, anyone who says he doesn’t know is calling God a liar. It’s a bit like a man arguing with his mother about what day he was born. Only in this case, it’s not his mother, but his inerrant, infallible, Creator.

Third, anyone who claims to be an atheist is ignoring his greatest need, and his only hope for its fulfillment. Man’s greatest and ultimate need is God. Apart from God, man is incomplete. Moreover, he is utterly incapable of achieving or attaining what he lacks. This is what drove Solomon to write, “Then I considered all that my hands had done and the toil I had expended in doing it, and behold, all was vanity and a striving after wind, and there was nothing to be gained under the sun” (Eccles. 2:11). This is the state of every person apart from God.

Why There’s No Such Thing as an Atheist

I know this is not your work, but the work of someone else. It is speaking about Gods wrath descending upon the unrighteous and the ungodly, then speaks of them suppressing the truth with their unrighteousness. It is not speaking of anyone who doesnt believe in God suppress the truth, it is speaking about those who do.

Someone has used a slippery slope fallacy. Dont fall for it. Honestly I have heard a lot of apologetics, but I have never come across this. Thanks for showing me. I never knew someone made this idea and even propagated it.

I dont believe in the Bible or anything like that, I of course know that you dont either. But for commentary like that, we should not go to sources like that. This is not scholarly work. Even if you dont believe the bible to have any validity to you, go to scholarly sources, even if the scholar is Christian.

 

[ChristineM]

Religions don't harm atheists. Religious people might and atheists need to learn the difference.

Religious people get their attitudes towards atheists from religion, from religious books.

 

[Spirit of Light]

Religious people get their attitudes towards atheists from religion, from religious books.

Some do, yes, unfortunatly

 

[Shakeel]

Religious people get their attitudes towards atheists from religion, from religious books.

Hopefully they do - from their point of view.

 

[PoetPhilosopher]

I'd rather not.

Honestly, not judging people sounds like more of a Right Hand Path thing to me. I feel a lot of people with more Right Hand Path philosophies, kind of think making judgements is bad. But I personally don't. I think passing judgements is bad. But the actual making of judgements... that's part of life for me and how I critically think, even when involving people.

 

[SalixIncendium]

Honestly, not judging people sounds like more of a Right Hand Path thing to me. I feel a lot of people with more Right Hand Path philosophies, kind of think making judgements is bad. But I personally don't. I think passing judgements is bad. But the actual making of judgements... that's part of life for me and how I critically think, even when involving people.

It's more of a Toltec thing.

In my experience, judging others (and oneself) is a path to suffering.

 

[Hermit Philosopher]

I'd rather just judge people each based on their merits, atheist or not, rather than try to fit in with atheists as a whole group.

”Merits” KAT-KAT… Perhaps it’s my (mis)understanding of the term, but that could come across a elitist, no?

Humbly
Hermit

 

[Aupmanyav]

If you dont believe any of these books are actual God speaking, why do you reject God based on that book? Can you explain?

Inconsistencies. God is love.

Religions don't harm atheists.

Check in the Southern belt of US or in Musim countries. Salman Rushdie.

 

[firedragon]

Inconsistencies. God is love.

Who said God "is love"?

 

[RestlessSoul]

Who said God "is love"?

I say it quite often.

I’d say it was a central theme of Jesus’ teachings…