Maybe religion/ religious people

[PoetPhilosopher]

Is there to little respect from spiritual people towa4d those who are not spiritual or religious? How can we fix it?

I think that atheists, or some atheists, and us religious people could have gotten off to a bad start at some point. And I, for one, would like to be the one to initiate an apology.

I'm sorry. I think I get a little too wrapped up in debates sometimes, and get a little us vs. them. It really doesn't matter who started it. And I find some threads difficult. Some threads are just about doomed just from the start of the OP. So it may be a very slow process, but I'd like to try to set aside differences and work toward a more mutual understanding and in a (hopefully) adult way between the two of us.

 

[Justanatheist]

Is there to little respect from spiritual people towa4d those who are not spiritual or religious? How can we fix it?

Well from a personal point of view in the UK I grew up in, religion was mostly such a gentle thing, so when I see views being imported from the US and going on in my backyard I am going to try to stop it.

 

[Spirit of Light]

Well from a personal point of view in the UK I grew up in, religion was mostly such a gentle thing, so when I see views being imported from the US and going on in my backyard I am going to try to stop it.

That is understanable

 

[RestlessSoul]

That is what God or Allah say. It is OK to kill at times but no such leeway to non-believers.

"Thou shalt not kill" is pretty unequivocal, I'd have thought. Granted, followers of the Abrahamic Faiths have gone to all sort of lengths to qualify this commandment, but there is no qualification in the source (Exodus 20:13).

 

[Mock Turtle]

The hate speech amazes me, homophobia, racism, misogyny but as long as it is couched in religion I am supposed to "respect" their beliefs. This forum has made me much more militant, off to protest at a creationist event near me today, I would never of done that six weeks a go. But these people need to be held to account.

Well this forum might be like an extended family that often has issues between members but at least they are all (mostly) still talking with each other, unlike my real family (money issues).

 

[RestlessSoul]

Well from a personal point of view in the UK I grew up in, religion was mostly such a gentle thing, so when I see views being imported from the US and going on in my backyard I am going to try to stop it.

You're on a personal crusade?

 

[Justanatheist]

"Thou shalt not kill" is pretty unequivocal, I'd have thought. Granted, followers of the Abrahamic Faiths have gone to all sort of lengths to qualify this commandment, but there is no qualification in the source (Exodus 20:13).

But you see that is what I do not get, the ones most likely to try to qualify "Thou shalt not kill" are also the ones most likely to take literally Genesis for example.

 

[Justanatheist]

You're on a personal crusade?

I think that is a bit grand! More like I am going with a few mates to protest a creationist event on a boring Saturday morning. It should be a laugh.

 

[RestlessSoul]

But you see that is what I do not get, the ones most likely to try to qualify "Thou shalt not kill" are also the ones most likely to take literally Genesis for example.

You think if there was no religion there'd be no more killing? Seems unlikely to me.

 

[RestlessSoul]

Well this forum might be like an extended family that often has issues between members but at least they are all (mostly) still talking with each other, unlike my real family (money issues).

Money eh? That's what causes most of the world's problems imo. I'm sorry to hear that btw.

 

[Justanatheist]

You think if there was no religion there'd be no more killing? Seems unlikely to me.

Seriously where on earth did you get that from what I wrote?

 

[Shakeel]

Religions don't harm atheists. Religious people might and atheists need to learn the difference.

Isn't it a never ending complaint: "I left my religion because my parents/friends/teachers/whoever abused me and so I knew all religions were false."

 

[blü 2]

Sufism speak of that as practitioner one should respect every human being, no matter they are same or different than us.
[...]
But if we treat each other with respect. Maybe there is a hope for humanity.

Hear hear!

I second the motion!

 

[Spirit of Light]

Religions don't harm atheists. Religious people might and atheists need to learn the difference.

Isn't it a never ending complaint: "I left my religion because my parents/friends/teachers/whoever abused me and so I knew all religions were false."

Abuse is never ok, from religious family or not. Unfortunatly it happens every day

 

[Justanatheist]

Well this forum might be like an extended family that often has issues between members but at least they are all (mostly) still talking with each other, unlike my real family (money issues).

Sorry to hear about you family, hope it resolves itself soon.
I can tell you that there are views expressed here I would not tolerate in the "real" world.

 

[Justanatheist]

Religions don't harm atheists. Religious people might and atheists need to learn the difference.

Isn't it a never ending complaint: "I left my religion because my parents/friends/teachers/whoever abused me and so I knew all religions were false."

No I have never heard or seen written the above by any atheist, I have seen many religious people pretending atheists say that, then arguing against the strawman they created.

And I do not buy the religions do not harm people either, the religious texts teach hate and the followers carry it out.

 

[Aupmanyav]

"Thou shalt not kill" is pretty unequivocal, I'd have thought.

But it is not. The Amalekites and the Medianites.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

One of the problem is that atheism in fact is a limited descriptive term. All I can say as an atheist is that I lack a positive belief in gods. Yet you can find atheists, who e.g. claim that we know that the world is physical and but in effect they as individuals or a limited group don't speak for humanity as a we nor do they speak for all atheists. Nor do I speak for all atheists, but I don't claim that.

As I am an atheist, I also do in effect some version of Pyrrhonism.

 

[Spirit of Light]

One of the problem is that atheism in fact is a limited descriptive term. All I can say as an atheist is that I lack a positive belief in gods. Yet you can find atheists, who e.g. claim that we know that the world is physical and but in effect they as individuals or a limited group don't speak for humanity as a we nor do they speak for all atheists. Nor do I speak for all atheists, but I don't claim that.

As I am an atheist, I also do in effect some version of Pyrrhonism.

Maybe the word atheist is a wrong word to use ?

 

[RestlessSoul]

Seriously where on earth did you get that from what I wrote?

Why so touchy?