Or that they never encountered a professor who said anything about them personally.
Oh - I wasn't saying that - I was talking about the politicization of the classroom.
Remember how you claimed that your wife likes her church because they don't try to lecture people about how to vote - which led me to make my comment about that's what they do to impressionable kids at college - to which you replied that you hadn't heard anything from your kids about any such attempts.
That's why I said you might not have heard about it because they ended up agreeing with whoever was trying to convert them.
That was not a comment about professors saying inappropriate things.
Or that they did, but they were strong enough to not let it affect them.
No professor should be calling any of their students names.
It does not matter if the student is weak or strong - it is inappropriate.
You don't seem to want to believe either is possible.
What I don't believe is that there are any students at college or university today who is not being targeted for conversion - either to the right or the left.
So - if you're child is more right-leaning - they may not think being approached by a Trump supporter is anything worth mentioning.
Or if you're child is more left-leaning - they may not think being approached by a Biden supported is anything worth mentioning.
I was not affected by what those professors said - so I don't know why you believe I cannot consider the same possibility for your children.
The data shows that it's a net gain, both for citizens and the government. It costs less overall, covers everyone, and delivers better care and outcomes. The main reason it's not been implemented here is due to ideological objections, not practical ones.
What country are we talking about? Is it Narnia or Wonderland?
I don't see it that way. I see it as getting a higher degree involves getting an education.
Yeah - I figured as much. And I just cannot agree.
Don't make such assumptions. Like I said, we live in a very conservative part of our state and my kids went to a very conservative rural school, where teachers and other staff were openly racist and preached Christianity to the students on a regular basis. We didn't expect that when we moved there, and it really didn't become a problem until they got to high school, but thankfully they'd already been prepared to deal with it.
But you said you were liberal and you liked where things were heading.
And when you add in your views on Christian fundamentalism - I didn't think it was a stretch that you would be okay with "left of center" activism and proselytization.
Where did you move to?
When I told friend and family that we were moving from Southern California to Indiana I was surprised by the number of people who expressed their concerns that we would be met with hate and racism (my wife is not Caucasian) - but nothing like that has happened at all since we have gotten here.
The only thing I would complain about is the fireworks - all my neighbors went gung-ho on the fireworks the entire week before the 4th.
I mean - I like fireworks sure - but only when I know where they are and when they are going to go
bang - not all the time when I'm not expecting them!
Well yeah, if they don't go to class or pass them they will be out of school pretty quickly and as a result won't need the money we've set aside for their college. Duh.
So - there were "strings attached" to that money then?
And - in this scenario - wouldn't you have already given your money to the school - and therefore have lost it?
Strings attached to the money. No graduation. No more money.
I'd rather they work hard for their money - therefore making it more valuable to them (because it also represents the time and effort it took to make it) - so it would be less likely for them to blow it on things they don't actually want or need.
I say that - but I did spend my money on college - which isn't what a wanted and time has proven it wasn't what I needed.
But when you are stuck between the expectations of your loving father and super-hot future wife - what's a guy to do?
From what I see, it looks like your experience with those one or two professors was indeed a bit traumatic for you. From those incidents, you've created a narrative where every college and every professor is exactly like the ones you had, and if you send your kids to any college they'll just be brainwashed and will turn their backs on you and everything you believe in.
Whoa - that's what you got out of that?
Did you miss the part where I talked about my debate teacher - who I thought was good because he never shared his opinions with us?
I had a philosophy professor who did the same thing - good teacher.
No - I clearly stated that I felt that those two professors wanted to convert me - not educate me - but I didn't say that all my professors were like that.
I just thought that they were d*cks.
My views on my children going to college have developed very recently - pretty much soon after Trump won the election - because a huge portion of the chaos that ensued was spawned at our colleges and universities.
I've been mentioning how much worse and worse it has been getting - I've seen the stories and videos - and the influence that these "educators" have on our impressionable youth is terrifying.
Not to mention how expensive it is for what? Our children are getting dumber - it's all a scam!
All of the reasons I have been sharing for why I don't want my children to go has to do with the issues of today - not from when I went.
I often imagined what I would tell my children when they prepared to go off to school. I was going to tell them to learn from their teachers - but not to idolize them or think of them as role models - their job is to teach - that's it - and they should stick up for themselves if one of their teachers acts inappropriately - like I did.
Also - if what they are taught causes them any confusion religion-wise - share everything that they learned with me.
But - unless there are some changes made in academia - I don't know if I'll need to say any of this stuff to them - because they will hopefully go to a trade school.
IOW, those incidents still affect you today and are playing a role in decisions you make about how you raise your kids.
Nope - if you re-read my posts - you will notice that I have mentioned many reasons for why I believe the way I do - and all of them have to do with issues had in academia - and the country - today.
I think the only reason you are fixated on the experiences I shared was because I made a big deal about you not thinking what they said was inappropriate.
It was - but it didn't affect me personally - it just convinced me that they weren't interested in educating me - but indoctrinating me - and that they were d*cks.
And it has gotten so much worse today. It's like you can't even be a professor in the US today without calling a student racist at least once a day.
I joke - but not really.
All the time, like every week. But unlike you, I didn't translate that into "this is indicative of every college and professor in the country" and I didn't allow it to affect anything I did or decisions I made later on.
What I said was,
"I knew the material - which is all they should have been concerned about - but they wanted to "say their piece" - which led me to believe that their true goal wasn't to educate me - but convert me."
'I was unaffected - save I gained the knowledge that many professors want to convert their student rather than educate them."
How did you interpret "this is indicative of every college and professor in the country" from that?
And immediately after I shared these experiences I had I said to you,
"Hope your kids are going to better places. More welcoming and tolerant."
My comment was about those particular professors - not all of them - and I even mentioned having a good teacher.
And I obviously believe that there are still good schools in our country because I hoped your kids would go to one of them.
I have been saying things like,
"And the fact that I have seen evidence of schools across the countries getting worse and worse - such as the teaching of CRT and actual calls to violence - I see no reason to help my children go to these places."
"It makes no sense to me for anyone to start out their adult life in debt with a huge likelihood that they won't even get a job in the field in which they studied.
Couple that with all the nonsense on campuses today with "safe spaces", violations of freedom of speech and the conscious efforts of leftist teachers to teach their agenda - rather than the curriculum - no thanks."
"I would have done this if there weren't so much evidence of it getting worse.
Teachers talking about how they hate white people, all white people are racist, want Trump supporters dead, wanting to kill all the white babies, socialism is the future - stuff like that.
These aren't isolated incidents."
I've given this more thought than , "Wah! Someone said something I didn't like and I'm going to hold a generational grudge against their profession!"
You became fixated on my personal experience - not me - I got loads of reasons to not want my kids going on any of these campuses.
Not at all....another mistaken assumption on your part.
You don't remember implying this after claiming that I was a bad parent who wasn't teaching my children how to deal with criticism or strange people - and how rather than allowing them to live their own lives I was trying to relive my own grudges and lack of self-esteem through them?
Cause how could any rational or sane person have actual reasons for not wanting their children to go to college a.k.a "making the best of life"?
If you're interested, there's something else I wouldn't mind discussing with you. But if you think our interactions have run their course, that's okay too.
Go for it. I'll try to be brief - but no promises.