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No, what's pathetic is you defending this and downplaying the harms.
LOL! No, no, I am far from doing that. What is pathetic is your support of a system that will continue the harms.
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No, what's pathetic is you defending this and downplaying the harms.
Pimps would largely be useless. They could not hold onto workers by force. Males that took advantage of prostitutes could be charged with rape. If a prostitute gets raped it is almost always by a customer. Both pimps and abusers would be subject to prosecution. Right now prostitutes cannot report their pimps because they would go to jail too. The take risky "dates" because rash decisions need to be made. The current system enables abuse of women.If business were legal & above board, pimps would
appear to have less power over workers.
Too many people imagine that government is good & capable.Bad logic, murder will still exist. The topic was trafficking, not the act of prostitution. Try again.
Interesting article.Glad to see that you are on the side of decriminalization. It is the only plan that reduces trafficking:
Decriminalising sex work in New Zealand: its history and impact
I hope you can believe me when I say I would not want to see anything like the re-education camps of the CCP . That’s not what I mean by re-education. I don’t even really think morality can or should be legislated.Sounds like "re-education camps" like China would use.
Also reminds me of A Clockwork Orange.
Hatred of men is a bit extreme a characterization. But
putting women on a pedestal, wanting them to be chaste,
& seeing men as lustful perps is a very common thing.
Good.I hope you can believe me when I say I would not want to see anything like the re-education camps of the CCP . That’s not what I mean by re-education. I don’t even really think morality can or should be legislated.
Child sex workers would still be a no no.I suppose my hope is that people and men in this case (who are usually the buyers of women & children for sex) would simply gain an awareness that that people are not products for purchase. There are many organizations now trying to spread that message.
This is good news IMO.
Manhattan to Stop Prosecuting Prostitution, Part of Nationwide Shift
Excerpted....
The Manhattan district attorney’s office announced Wednesday that it would no longer prosecute prostitution and unlicensed massage, putting the weight of one of the most high-profile law enforcement offices in the United States behind the growing movement to change the criminal justice system’s approach to sex work.
The district attorney, Cyrus R. Vance Jr., revealed the new policy as he appeared virtually in court to ask a judge to dismiss 914 open cases involving prostitution and unlicensed massage, along with 5,080 cases in which the charge was loitering for the purposes of prostitution.
The law that made the latter charge a crime, which had become known as the “walking while trans” law, was repealed by New York State in February.
Mr. Vance said that with the announcement, his office had fully shifted its approach to prostitution. Many of the cases he moved to dismiss dated to the 1970s and 1980s, when New York waged a war against prostitution in an effort to clean up its image as a center of iniquity and vice.
“Over the last decade we’ve learned from those with lived experience, and from our own experience on the ground: Criminally prosecuting prostitution does not make us safer, and too often, achieves the opposite result by further marginalizing vulnerable New Yorkers,” Mr. Vance said in a statement.
The office will continue to prosecute other crimes related to prostitution, including patronizing sex workers and sex trafficking.
Manhattan will join Baltimore, Philadelphia and other jurisdictions that have declined to prosecute sex workers. Brooklyn also does not prosecute people arrested for prostitution, but instead refers them to social services before they are compelled to appear in court — unless the district attorney’s office there is unable to reach them.
Could be.I would be willing to bet $1 that the legalization of prostitution only has majority support among atheists.
You can't possibly be trying to say that laying sod is as bad as letting some stranger (who may be disgusting physically and otherwise, as well as have STDs) **** you orally, vaginally and/or anally. I mean, I hate my job but I'm not going to insult victims of this by saying it's as bad as having my body and dignity violated from the inside out.
Could be.
We don't have any supernatural reasons to
prevent 2 people from striking such a bargain.
Trafficking may be over rated. I need to see if I can find a recent investigation into trafficking in the U.S.. The massage industry is no longer being targeted in New York City as you can see in the OP. Though there are claims of trafficking it appears that most employees were not forced into the business. It was a choice out of need.Interesting article.
Decriminalization is an important aspect, but I think there are other steps just as necessary to reduce trafficking.
It can be more complex than that. Atheists & religious folkRight, no objective moral standards. Whatever feels good or makes a buck?
Right, no objective moral standards. Whatever feels good or makes a buck?
I would absolutely prefer to be penetrated by a stranger for money, as long as I could refuse the job, set the boundaries and make good money, than to stay outside in the heat (100+ Fº) with the sun burning my skin. The latter would feel like torture to me. And I am straight!
It can be more complex than that. Atheists & religious folk
typically share many values because of shared species & culture.
We like fairness, hate murder, like liberty, hate oppression, etc.
One can reason objectively from those values.
I don't choose any basic values.I agree and like to think I was a good person during the decades I rejected God.
My point is that 'you' choose those values rather arbitrarily, for a number of reasons, some of them unselfish no doubt. But there is no objective basis for them - you are your own master, yes? - and therefore they are fluid and corruptible.
just following your logic.Bad logic, murder will still exist. The topic was trafficking, not the act of prostitution. Try again.
Excuse me, Bubba --- this liberal doesn't do much in the way of excoriating you! (Except, of course, when you are obviously and egregiously wrong.)It can be more complex than that. Atheists & religious folk
typically share many values because of shared species & culture.
We like fairness, hate murder, like liberty, hate oppression, etc.
One can reason objectively from those values.
Oddly, this heathen often gets more grief over
disagreement with atheists than with many believers.
But none want to excoriate me than some liberals.
(The kavorka is ineffective on them, eh.)
No, you weren't. Go back and reread my response to you. See if you can spot your error.just following your logic.