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i totally have lost all signs of evolution

Evangelicalhumanist

"Truth" isn't a thing...
Premium Member
Where does the proof that it evolved
We have documented the book 2,000 years ago and there are no texts that there are new creatures on the planet
I mean, there is no scientific evidence to be convinced about it
Here we go again.

For the record, there is an immense -- absolutely immense! -- amount of evidence for evolution. And this immense amount of information has been gathered, studied, compared in every possible way. Not only that, it has all been written up so that it fills entire libraries, all around the world.

And the reason you haven't got any evidence? Because you haven't looked for it. This is called "studying" and "learning." It is possible, but it takes slightly more effort than posting your unlearned conclusions on the internet.
 

It Aint Necessarily So

Veteran Member
Premium Member
How do I employ old fossils to find attempts to evolution in them I mean the theory of evolution, how do I see its signs in fossils

If you are interested in learning about the evidence and arguments that underlie the theory of biological evolution, you might try acquiring a textbook or enrolling in a university course as the rest of us did. Or visit TalkOrigins Archive: Exploring the Creation/Evolution Controversy

With all due respect (you seem like a nice guy), it's a fool's errand to try to teach creationists, who request evidence, but then don't look at it. The plain fact is that unless you are a teenager, if you had any real interest in this topic, you would already have learned the basics, once again, as the rest of us that really did want to understand did.

But I'll make the same offer to you that I have to other creationists. If you are sincere, you can study the topic on the Internet, and come back here to demonstrate what you read, what you learned, and any questions or issues you'd like to discuss and clarity. For your information, not one has ever availed himself of the offer, which has saved me considerable time since I stopped taking creationists at their word that they were interested in evidence or education.

I am looking for proof ... proof please

This is usually an implied ignorance fallacy, the implication being that if something cannot be proved, it is wrong, and the alternative, creationism, which also has not been proved, is by default correct.

But neither proof nor evidence are currencies for belief among the faithful. You don't require or offer proof for your beliefs, so why this double standard?To a person who makes decisions about what is real in the world by faith rather than by applying reason to evidence, I offer you the choice to simply believe the theory of biological evolution by faith. Just choose to believe it instead of what you chose to believe last time.

Lastly, nothing can be proven or convincingly demonstrated to one with a stake in not believing it. Teaching is a cooperative effort that requires a cooperative student with an open mind willing to and able to evaluate evidence dispassionately and be convinced by a compelling argument
 

74x12

Well-Known Member
I am not satisfied with an idea of the theory of evolution
Because no old book proves that there were creatures evolved
Not even in the stories of ancestors that there is a being that evolved from an object
Besides, there are no traces of failed attempts to create
All I watch is the continuous extinction of creatures

I am the heavens photographer who draws on the water board (painting), and every day I was draw a creatures in it and then i can breath on some things, and it becomes a separate object to this earth
And every day I draw in the heavens on this painting and over the years I gathered many creatures
Do you know who I am? ( He is God)
Speech refers to God, just I want to clarify the idea of creation

Painters draw daily many designs that may be different or may be close to each other
It is easier than evolution, years, and that God is a slow and unreasonable creator
It's the most inefficient slow process. Why would God use it?
 

sun rise

The world is on fire
Premium Member
I am disappointed that, as far as I read documents that support evolution from some scientists, I see demonstrations Lectures by heavy scientists who deny theories of evolution.

I want to lean on the safety point
There are no true scientists that deny evolution. The question is how evolution does occur and how that happens is being researched all the time.

I just saw this story for example:
How fish fins evolved just before the transition to land

1-howfishfinse.jpg
 

sun rise

The world is on fire
Premium Member
It's the most inefficient slow process. Why would God use it?
That's part of our intellect's questioning which includes "why does God allow suffering?", "why does God allow bad things to happen to good people?" and so forth.

I have an answer which satisfies me but I know not everyone. But that's a discussion for a different thread.
 

Quintessence

Consults with Trees
Staff member
Premium Member
I want to see a tortoise turn into a water bird
Hey how beautiful

And I want to watch the evolution before my eyes

It doesn't work that way. This isn't some Pokemon game where you're going to witness Hollywood-style spectacles. If this is the kind of "evidence" you demand, you are going to be disappointed. Biological evolution requires changes in allele frequencies in entire populations of organisms over generations. While evolution can certainly be observed within the short human life span for organisms with rapid generational turnover compared to ours - such as the antibiotic resistant bacteria I mentioned earlier - this is the exception to the rule. Human lives are simply too short to directly witness what you are asking for and even then it still isn't going to look like Pokemon.

In any case, the point still stands that if you actually want to learn about biological evolution everything you need is out there. The main obstacles will be yourself and what you bring to the table.
 

SigurdReginson

Grēne Mann
Premium Member
Be honest with yourself in your research. Be at peace with the idea that you could have been wrong in the past, can be wrong now, and will be wrong in the future. You can't dip your toe in a swimming pool and say that you know what it's like to swim in the ocean. You gotta take some real effort, and you gotta risk what you know to the unknown.
 

shunyadragon

shunyadragon
Premium Member
I am not satisfied with an idea of the theory of evolution
Because no old book proves that there were creatures evolved
Not even in the stories of ancestors that there is a being that evolved from an object
Besides, there are no traces of failed attempts to create
All I watch is the continuous extinction of creatures

I am the heavens photographer who draws on the water board (painting), and every day I was draw a creatures in it and then i can breath on some things, and it becomes a separate object to this earth
And every day I draw in the heavens on this painting and over the years I gathered many creatures
Do you know who I am? ( He is God)
Speech refers to God, just I want to clarify the idea of creation

Painters draw daily many designs that may be different or may be close to each other
It is easier than evolution, years, and that God is a slow and unreasonable creator

It depends on what you are referring to as 'the signs of evolution.' Science has pretty much documented the science of evolution with objective verifiable evidence beyond any reasonable doubt. By the evidence the abiogenesis and evolution of life could be natural without God, or natural with God.

I believe the Laws of Nature and the natural processes of our physical existence are the Creation involving the attributes of God, and a part of God's nature.
 

blü 2

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Where does the proof that it evolved
We have documented the book 2,000 years ago and there are no texts that there are new creatures on the planet

I mean, there is no scientific evidence to be convinced about it
Since you speak of science, you're doubtless aware that the scientific conclusion from the evidence of reality is that the sun and the earth formed some 4.5 billion years ago; that life first appeared on earth about 3.5 billion years ago (abiogenesis, the formation of a self-reproducing cell from unliving biochemistry, a transition for which we don't presently have a complete description); that creatures with multiple cells evolved about 1.7 billion years ago; that by 550 million years ago (mya), creatures had evolved which had bilateral symmetry (where the left side is pretty much a mirror of the right side); and with a digestive tract (mouth, stomach, anus); and with a spinal chord but not yet a spinal column, which appears in the next 25 million years; by 380 mya we have creatures with movable lower jaws, and four legs; by 320 mya our ancestors lived on dry land, breathed air rather than water, and laid eggs; mammals develop from reptiles by 200 mya; placental mammals by 160 mya, primates by 65 mya, genus Homo existed 4-5 mya; humanoids by 2.4 mya and us, Homo sapiens sapiens, by maybe 250 thousand years ago, perhaps with a surge in capabilities some 70,000 years ago.

So 2000 years can be a very short time in evolution. Nonetheless, we still observe cases of evolution, a famous example being the 'nylon-eating bug'.

And as you can see, evolution had been around for 3.5 billion years before there were books.
 
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j1i

Smiling is charity without giving money
  1. Don't worry. You did not offend anyone. I just didn't want you to get hurt feelings if someone laughed.
  2. You fixed it.
  3. "Breathe" is a good verb to use. You can breath on some things and you can breathe into other things. Or you can still use "blow", but add "on", "onto", "in", or "into". You can blow on some things or blow into other things, e.g. "blow on a trumpet, horn, or tuba" or "blow into someone's face, ear, or mouth or into a paper bag".
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I dontt it

What is time to the immortal?

Since books.

It nature.

Be unknown.

It table.


It's the most inefficient slow process. Why would God use it?

Here internet.






i totally have lost all signs of evolution



Thank you, dear brothers, for the positive participation and your kind and kind words
I really appreciate it
I read the responses carefully from three days and researched many ideas

I inform you that I have been following videos on the theory of evolution for more than twenty years and I read articles about it and I am still and until tomorrow and I am following about this controversial theory from two sides

I would like to inform you that believing in the theory of evolution contradicts Islam and belief in God, the Qur’an, and sacred books

Because God spoke clearly in the Qur’an that the source of man’s creation is clay, not the genetic development of monkeys (or evolution from other origins)

Then I became preoccupied with myself and said well that only the creation of man is from clay and the rest is a result of the process of evolution and I looked at other creatures

I found that the process of evolution contradicts (against) the Qur’an, which is word of God

Real: I am a persistent student and I do not refrain from following videos on evolution with translation, and I swear to that

But I invite you to read the Qur’an to know that it is God’s word and not an ordinary word
Because God created a dangerous and abnormal challenge (read it)
17:88 Say, “If mankind and jinn came together to produce the like of this Quran, they could never produce the like of it, even if they backed up one another.”

I just want you to read simple pages and bring any contradictions in it that prove that the Qur’an is not the word of God
As I am responding and looking at your ideas side and reading a lot, I hope you only look at the Qur’an and read its pages to know that it is not a lie but a truth

Why did God create biodiversity so broadly?
The brain and thinking will not work if he sees small data data, but when he sees and sees the great biological diversity and harmony between creatures, this will lead him to reflect on the greatness of the Creator (not in denying the Creator). Especially if we look at the heavens

Why did God create manners in two days and never create them at once
Because there are creatures that observe (God’s making processes) For creatures and have no capacity to comprehend if you see that the creation process is one second
There are angels and heavenly creatures that watched and glorified God, so the timing of time was to match the capabilities of his creatures for watching

If you asked someone to give you evidence, would he be hit a stick in the magic hat to bring out evidence for you?
Certainly not, but the guide will show you sequentially (series) to make you clear and compelling

I promise you that I will follow all developments on the theory of evolution
And I will pray to God for you so that books and terminology in the internet can be transferred from the term evolution theory to the reality of evolution ;)

The nations knew God from ancient times, but the nations from which knowledge was cut off were the ones who moved and lost in the earth far away and lost intellectual knowledge from them, so they used strange and innovative methods in faith because they lost the source of the information
The oldest civilizations in the world are in the Middle East and its environs, and all these regions have religions that believe in the existence of God

The jinn created from a fusion of fire. they were the advanced creatures that lived before humans and that had advanced technologies stronger than the sunken civilization of Atlantis
Satan (iblis), one of the jinn, was afraid of losing his luster due to the superiority of some civilizations of the jinn.
After wars between the jinn, Satan (iblis) has now been able to destroy them and stop them for the love of God.
God honored him, but God knew the truth about the arrogance in his heart and the holding of a grudge and the corruption of his heart
So he wanted to test him in Adam and he failed and was expelled cursed

The jinn Ginologists Biological confirm that evolution is wrong.


this is my friend replay
The church previously was against science
You know the Galileo incident, that they sentenced Galileo to death
Why?
Because he said some of the phrases in astronomy and others are incompatible with the Bible
And the Pope apologizes to him now
When Charles Darwin came up with a theory that conflicts with the Bible
So most scholars have supported this theory because it is against the Bible and not because it is correct

They supported the theory only because it was against the Bible

What denotes me most about God’s greatness is the contemplation of the wonderful mechanisms in the world of nuclei and genetic material

Do you know what Darwin said (I do not believe in natural selection)

I do not believe in the theory of evolution not because I got any evidence, I believe in it because it helps me to classify embryology, morphology, and underdeveloped organs
Charles Darwin himself said that there are missing links he did not agree with the theory

Pierre-Paul Grassé in 1971 Paris said
We cannot tell who our ancestors were, depending on mistakes

If homosexuality is hereditary, then why does God blame us for doing homosexuality in the Holy Scriptures?


final thanks for much reading
sorry for disturb (i want share my idea)
have nice day :)
ALLAH MAY BLESS ALL IF YOU
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
I would like to inform you that believing in the theory of evolution contradicts Islam and belief in God, the Qur’an, and sacred books

I would like to inform you that the Qur'an and its teachings contradicts the evidence of evolution.
 

j1i

Smiling is charity without giving money
I would like to inform you that the Qur'an and its teachings contradicts the evidence of evolution.

true, the two differ

Therefore, I am looking for clues and evidence to prove the superiority of one of the parties, and I am still searching
Although I doubt that
I pray to God every day, so help me, God, to find someone to write the truth of evolution rather than the theory of evolution

I am ashamed that science writes a theory even in 2020

thanks
god may bless you brother
take care (^_^*)
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
true, the two differ

Therefore, I am looking for clues and evidence to prove the superiority of one of the parties, and I am still searching
Although I doubt that
I pray to God every day, so help me, God, to find someone to write the truth of evolution rather than the theory of evolution

I am ashamed that science writes a theory even in 2020

thanks
god may bless you brother
take care (^_^*)

There is considerable falsifiable evidence to validate evolution which to date has never been falsified. That evidence spreads across several scientific fields and includes irrefutable fields of genetics and DNA?

If you truly want clues then please feel free to ask, there are several people on RF who would be willing to help you.
 

SigurdReginson

Grēne Mann
Premium Member
Thank you, dear brothers, for the positive participation and your kind and kind words
I really appreciate it
I read the responses carefully from three days and researched many ideas

I inform you that I have been following videos on the theory of evolution for more than twenty years and I read articles about it and I am still and until tomorrow and I am following about this controversial theory from two sides

I would like to inform you that believing in the theory of evolution contradicts Islam and belief in God, the Qur’an, and sacred books

Because God spoke clearly in the Qur’an that the source of man’s creation is clay, not the genetic development of monkeys (or evolution from other origins)

Then I became preoccupied with myself and said well that only the creation of man is from clay and the rest is a result of the process of evolution and I looked at other creatures

I found that the process of evolution contradicts (against) the Qur’an, which is word of God

Real: I am a persistent student and I do not refrain from following videos on evolution with translation, and I swear to that

But I invite you to read the Qur’an to know that it is God’s word and not an ordinary word
Because God created a dangerous and abnormal challenge (read it)
17:88 Say, “If mankind and jinn came together to produce the like of this Quran, they could never produce the like of it, even if they backed up one another.”

I just want you to read simple pages and bring any contradictions in it that prove that the Qur’an is not the word of God
As I am responding and looking at your ideas side and reading a lot, I hope you only look at the Qur’an and read its pages to know that it is not a lie but a truth

Why did God create biodiversity so broadly?
The brain and thinking will not work if he sees small data data, but when he sees and sees the great biological diversity and harmony between creatures, this will lead him to reflect on the greatness of the Creator (not in denying the Creator). Especially if we look at the heavens

Why did God create manners in two days and never create them at once
Because there are creatures that observe (God’s making processes) For creatures and have no capacity to comprehend if you see that the creation process is one second
There are angels and heavenly creatures that watched and glorified God, so the timing of time was to match the capabilities of his creatures for watching

If you asked someone to give you evidence, would he be hit a stick in the magic hat to bring out evidence for you?
Certainly not, but the guide will show you sequentially (series) to make you clear and compelling

I promise you that I will follow all developments on the theory of evolution
And I will pray to God for you so that books and terminology in the internet can be transferred from the term evolution theory to the reality of evolution ;)

The nations knew God from ancient times, but the nations from which knowledge was cut off were the ones who moved and lost in the earth far away and lost intellectual knowledge from them, so they used strange and innovative methods in faith because they lost the source of the information
The oldest civilizations in the world are in the Middle East and its environs, and all these regions have religions that believe in the existence of God

The jinn created from a fusion of fire. they were the advanced creatures that lived before humans and that had advanced technologies stronger than the sunken civilization of Atlantis
Satan (iblis), one of the jinn, was afraid of losing his luster due to the superiority of some civilizations of the jinn.
After wars between the jinn, Satan (iblis) has now been able to destroy them and stop them for the love of God.
God honored him, but God knew the truth about the arrogance in his heart and the holding of a grudge and the corruption of his heart
So he wanted to test him in Adam and he failed and was expelled cursed

The jinn Ginologists Biological confirm that evolution is wrong.


this is my friend replay
The church previously was against science
You know the Galileo incident, that they sentenced Galileo to death
Why?
Because he said some of the phrases in astronomy and others are incompatible with the Bible
And the Pope apologizes to him now
When Charles Darwin came up with a theory that conflicts with the Bible
So most scholars have supported this theory because it is against the Bible and not because it is correct

They supported the theory only because it was against the Bible

What denotes me most about God’s greatness is the contemplation of the wonderful mechanisms in the world of nuclei and genetic material

Do you know what Darwin said (I do not believe in natural selection)

I do not believe in the theory of evolution not because I got any evidence, I believe in it because it helps me to classify embryology, morphology, and underdeveloped organs
Charles Darwin himself said that there are missing links he did not agree with the theory

Pierre-Paul Grassé in 1971 Paris said
We cannot tell who our ancestors were, depending on mistakes

If homosexuality is hereditary, then why does God blame us for doing homosexuality in the Holy Scriptures?


final thanks for much reading
sorry for disturb (i want share my idea)
have nice day :)
ALLAH MAY BLESS ALL IF YOU

Meh. In your mind, how likely is it that the Quran could be wrong? Don't you think believing the Quran as a description of reality skews your world view, and what you allow yourself to believe?

When I was a Christian, my bible beliefs skewed my idea of reality. I thought evolution was a lie and satan's attempt to take people away from god's truth. Because I believed that, I never honestly took the evidence evolution had seriously. If I shoot down every new piece of evidence that comes up in opposition to my beliefs, then I can never be wrong, which means I never learn anything new. I already had my answers I wanted when I believed, and it made me blind to the greater world. Do you think there's a possibility the same could be happening to you?

Ultimately, I can only tell you about my experiences, and what you go through in life is different than me. I wish you luck in your endeavors.
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
I would like to inform you that believing in the theory of evolution contradicts Islam and belief in God, the Qur’an, and sacred books
That really is not true en toto because there is a minority of Muslims who do accept the basic ToE,

Nor is the ToE anti-Islamic as doesn't have anything to say about Divine Creation one way or the other.
 

night912

Well-Known Member
Well, you support the idea of evolution, and this is your business, but it is totally wrong because it lacks the weakest evidence or proof

For example, the ancient books, two thousand years ago, speaks that God created everything and there was no
evolution

My claim has an excused
But your claim is not supported or documented

This is my idea that I wanted to communicate
You are totally wrong and have no evidence at all to support your claim. There are no ancient books saying that there is no evolution.
 

shunyadragon

shunyadragon
Premium Member
true, the two differ

Therefore, I am looking for clues and evidence to prove the superiority of one of the parties, and I am still searching
Although I doubt that
I pray to God every day, so help me, God, to find someone to write the truth of evolution rather than the theory of evolution

I am ashamed that science writes a theory even in 2020

thanks
god may bless you brother
take care (^_^*)

Do you have any objective verifiable evidence that supports an alternative hypothesis to the 'science of evolution?'
 

Evangelicalhumanist

"Truth" isn't a thing...
Premium Member
Thank you, dear brothers, for the positive participation and your kind and kind words
I really appreciate it
I read the responses carefully from three days and researched many ideas

I inform you that I have been following videos on the theory of evolution for more than twenty years and I read articles about it and I am still and until tomorrow and I am following about this controversial theory from two sides

I would like to inform you that believing in the theory of evolution contradicts Islam and belief in God, the Qur’an, and sacred books

Because God spoke clearly in the Qur’an that the source of man’s creation is clay, not the genetic development of monkeys (or evolution from other origins)

Then I became preoccupied with myself and said well that only the creation of man is from clay and the rest is a result of the process of evolution and I looked at other creatures

I found that the process of evolution contradicts (against) the Qur’an, which is word of God

Real: I am a persistent student and I do not refrain from following videos on evolution with translation, and I swear to that

But I invite you to read the Qur’an to know that it is God’s word and not an ordinary word
Because God created a dangerous and abnormal challenge (read it)
17:88 Say, “If mankind and jinn came together to produce the like of this Quran, they could never produce the like of it, even if they backed up one another.”

I just want you to read simple pages and bring any contradictions in it that prove that the Qur’an is not the word of God
As I am responding and looking at your ideas side and reading a lot, I hope you only look at the Qur’an and read its pages to know that it is not a lie but a truth

Why did God create biodiversity so broadly?
The brain and thinking will not work if he sees small data data, but when he sees and sees the great biological diversity and harmony between creatures, this will lead him to reflect on the greatness of the Creator (not in denying the Creator). Especially if we look at the heavens

Why did God create manners in two days and never create them at once
Because there are creatures that observe (God’s making processes) For creatures and have no capacity to comprehend if you see that the creation process is one second
There are angels and heavenly creatures that watched and glorified God, so the timing of time was to match the capabilities of his creatures for watching

If you asked someone to give you evidence, would he be hit a stick in the magic hat to bring out evidence for you?
Certainly not, but the guide will show you sequentially (series) to make you clear and compelling

I promise you that I will follow all developments on the theory of evolution
And I will pray to God for you so that books and terminology in the internet can be transferred from the term evolution theory to the reality of evolution ;)

The nations knew God from ancient times, but the nations from which knowledge was cut off were the ones who moved and lost in the earth far away and lost intellectual knowledge from them, so they used strange and innovative methods in faith because they lost the source of the information
The oldest civilizations in the world are in the Middle East and its environs, and all these regions have religions that believe in the existence of God

The jinn created from a fusion of fire. they were the advanced creatures that lived before humans and that had advanced technologies stronger than the sunken civilization of Atlantis
Satan (iblis), one of the jinn, was afraid of losing his luster due to the superiority of some civilizations of the jinn.
After wars between the jinn, Satan (iblis) has now been able to destroy them and stop them for the love of God.
God honored him, but God knew the truth about the arrogance in his heart and the holding of a grudge and the corruption of his heart
So he wanted to test him in Adam and he failed and was expelled cursed

The jinn Ginologists Biological confirm that evolution is wrong.


this is my friend replay
The church previously was against science
You know the Galileo incident, that they sentenced Galileo to death
Why?
Because he said some of the phrases in astronomy and others are incompatible with the Bible
And the Pope apologizes to him now
When Charles Darwin came up with a theory that conflicts with the Bible
So most scholars have supported this theory because it is against the Bible and not because it is correct

They supported the theory only because it was against the Bible

What denotes me most about God’s greatness is the contemplation of the wonderful mechanisms in the world of nuclei and genetic material

Do you know what Darwin said (I do not believe in natural selection)

I do not believe in the theory of evolution not because I got any evidence, I believe in it because it helps me to classify embryology, morphology, and underdeveloped organs
Charles Darwin himself said that there are missing links he did not agree with the theory

Pierre-Paul Grassé in 1971 Paris said
We cannot tell who our ancestors were, depending on mistakes

If homosexuality is hereditary, then why does God blame us for doing homosexuality in the Holy Scriptures?


final thanks for much reading
sorry for disturb (i want share my idea)
have nice day :)
ALLAH MAY BLESS ALL IF YOU
There was a time when Islam was the home of some very great thinkers and scholars. Those scholars saved, during the dark ages, immense amounts of ancient literature and knowledge from the Greco-Roman world.

The Islamic Golden Age saw so much translation into Arabic of knowledge from around the known world that the world is still indebted to it. And then it STOPPED. Islam lost interest in knowledge and learning, and devoted itself to dogma. Look at this nonsense from your post:
The jinn created from a fusion of fire. they were the advanced creatures that lived before humans and that had advanced technologies stronger than the sunken civilization of Atlantis
Satan (iblis), one of the jinn, was afraid of losing his luster due to the superiority of some civilizations of the jinn.
After wars between the jinn, Satan (iblis) has now been able to destroy them and stop them for the love of God.
God honored him, but God knew the truth about the arrogance in his heart and the holding of a grudge and the corruption of his heart
So he wanted to test him in Adam and he failed and was expelled cursed

The jinn Ginologists Biological confirm that evolution is wrong.
Find one, just one, shred of evidence in all of the world (or off it, if you can get there) to demonstrate the truth of a single word of that bilge. You can't, because it doesn't exist. It's pure myth. It is untruth, false.

But if you are content with remaining ignorant of the reality of the world around you, that is fine by me.
 
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