sooda
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Well, Abraham was also a warlord. Read Genesis 14.
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Islam and Judaism are refuted.
Well, Abraham was also a warlord. Read Genesis 14.
BilliardsBall
Veteran Member
I guess your main problem, then, is how the Bible so uncannily predicted Israel pre- and post-1948!!
sooda
Veteran Member
You mean Isaiah 53?
sooda
Veteran Member
Does Israel have a king?
dybmh
דניאל יוסף בן מאיר הירש
Exactly.
siti
Well-Known Member
What the devil does that have to do with Jesus?
YoursTrue
Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
So then, it is now almost as the Bible says, and I paraphrase, Each one to his own way. But it appears to me that Jesus did not teach that, and he also did not teach that his disciples should kill one another or others in case their particular national ruler declares war against another nation.
sooda
Veteran Member
Isaiah 9 is about King Ahaz.. and something that will happen in his lifetime NOT 700 years later.
sooda
Veteran Member
Isaiah 9:6 is direct reference to Baha'u'llah(Glory of God).
Baha'u'llah has comfirmed all these scriptures are from G_d.
Regards Tony
Read it again, Tony.. Isaiah is writing about King Ahaz AND a prophecy fulfilled in his lifetime. Jesus wasn't born for another 700 years.
I see all Gods Manifestations, Messengers, Prophets are timeless, the First and the Last, The Alpha and Omega, the Beginning and the End, they are one in the Holy Spirit. In one way or another, or in all ways, these prophecies belong to and are applicable to all of them.
The body that carries that Message in the age it was given, is long gone, but the word remains and is renewed. It is us that clings to old forms and old names and yet fail to see those names fulfilled in each of God's Messengers. They are born of (annointed) and all live as the same Holy Spirit. We are born of the human spirit.
All previous Holy Scriptures were to prepare us for Baha'u'llah, to prepare us to accept all these names are from One God. This is the promised 'Day of God', I really can not offer more than that @sooda
If Baha'u'llah is not as He showed us He was and claimed to be, then no Messenger from the beginning until the end can prove their claim and frankly there is no God and the OP is proven.
If Baha'u'llah is as He was and claimed to be then Baha'u'llah has proven God and all Gods Messengers, Islam and Judaism are followers of that One God and the OP is refuted.
It is up to all of us to make those choices and as you know, I wish you and all well and happy and a life of all the best choices.
Regards Tony
sooda
Veteran Member
That's nice.. Isaiah 9:6 is about King Ahaz 700 years BEFORE the birth of Christ.. Has NOTHING to do with Jesus.
Start at chapter 7..
Isaiah’s declaration was a prophecy of the unsuccessful siege of Jerusalem by the two hostile armies of the Kingdoms of Israel and Syria, not a virgin birth more than seven centuries later.
If we interpret this chapter as referring to Jesus’ birth, what possible comfort and assurance would Ahaz, who was surrounded by to overwhelming military enemies, have found in the birth of a child seven centuries later? Both he and his people would have been long dead and buried. Such a sign would make no sense.
Verses 15-16 state that by the time this child reaches the age of maturity (“he knows to reject bad and choose good”), the two warring kings, Pekah and Rezin, will have been removed.
In II Kings 15-16, it becomes clear that this prophecy was fulfilled contemporaneously, when both kings, Pekah and Retsin, were assassinated.
It is clear from the context of Isaiah’s seventh chapter that the child born in Isaiah 7:14 is not Jesus or any future virgin birth. Rather, it is referring to the divine protection that King Ahaz and his people would enjoy during the Syro-Ephraimite War.
Have you ever read Isaiah?
When I read the Bible, I do not read it as a history lesson. I read the stories as lessons of what man gets right and what they get wrong, in spiritual matters, in every age a Message from God has been given. Each one of those stories are timeless. You can change the names and places and events unfold where the same story could be told in each country on earth.
Thus we reach the Age where God gives two Messengers in quick succession, the prophecy and stories of the past are fulfilled and they are repeated.
Not only does God's Messenger return, but so do the loyal believers and those that reject that Message. We see the same stories unfold and this is our lesson, will this time we learn from past mistakes?
Regards Tony
sooda
Veteran Member
What do you think Isaiah was about?
sooda
Veteran Member
If its that vague, why bother?
It serves its purpose, it feeds those that look for the spirit behind and in the Word.
Jesus the Christ offered it in this way;
John 6:46 "For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me."
That is, that the Jewish Scriptures do point us to know and Love God in Christ.
In each age it repeats. Muhammad, Bab and Baha'u'llah likewise told us of our One God.
The stories, based on events in their lives and the Word recorded of what they have said, become our spiritual guidance.
Regards Tony
IndigoChild5559
Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
Chrisitans say Moses wrote of Jesus. Muslims say that Moses wrote of Muhammed.
It's all balderdash. You can make all sorts of claims, but it doesn't make them true.
It's all balderdash. You can make all sorts of claims, but it doesn't make them true.
YoursTrue
Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
Moses said there would be a prophet greater than himself. Many believe that to have been fulfilled in Jesus Christ.
(Deuteronomy 18:15) Moses continued, “The LORD your God will raise up for you a prophet like me from among your fellow Israelites. You must listen to him."
Jesus had many parallels to Moses.
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dybmh
דניאל יוסף בן מאיר הירש
Rashi's commentary on Deut 18:15:
"[THE LORD THY GOD WILL RAISE UP UNTO THEE A PROPHET] FROM THE MIDST OF THEE, OF THY BRETHREN, LIKE UNTO ME — This means: One who is as I am, from your midst, of your brethren, יקים לך WILL HE RAISE UP UNTO THEE in my stead, and so likewise from prophet to prophet throughout all ages."
hyperlink >>> sefaria.org - Deuteronomy 18:15 with Rashi
Could have been David... could have been Isaiah... could have been any of the Jewish prophets... according to Rashi.
( Edit: Maybe it was Joshua? )
Who is Rashi?
"Shlomo Yitzchaki (Hebrew: רבי שלמה יצחקי; Latin: Salomon Isaacides; French: Salomon de Troyes, 22 February 1040 – 13 July 1105), today generally known by the acronym Rashi (Hebrew: רש״י, RAbbi SHlomo Itzhaki), was a medieval French rabbi and author of a comprehensive commentary on the Talmud and commentary on the Tanakh. Acclaimed for his ability to present the basic meaning of the text in a concise and lucid fashion, Rashi appeals to both learned scholars and beginner students, and his works remain a centerpiece of contemporary Jewish study."
hyperlink >>> wikipedia.org - Rashi
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IndigoChild5559
Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
Like I said. Chrisitans say this is Jesus. Muslims say this is Muhammed. It's all a bunch of nonsense. It refers to Joshua. These scriptures are written by Jews about Jews for Jews, and they are interpreted by Jews, so ask Jews who this great prophet it and we'll tell you what the accurate answer is.