Do you care about truth?

[waitasec]

What does an atheist know about love and hope?

are you serious?
what sort of a question is that....?

 

[Midnight Pete]

are you serious?
what sort of a question is that....?

A pointed one.

Not very nice, are they?

 

[waitasec]

A pointed one.

Not very nice, are they?

didn't you say you wouldn't put truth on a pedestal above hope and love...?

 

[blackout]

didn't you say you wouldn't put truth on a pedestal above hope and love...?

What, don't you know hope and love when you see them?

 

[Storm]

I agree that hope is not exclusively connected to religious faith, but it's antithetical to the cynicism and misanthropy touted by atheism's celebrity figures.

See, one of the nice things about atheism is that you don't have to care what your celebrities say.

 

[jarofthoughts]

A pointed one.

Not very nice, are they?

Actually, it is a very very silly one.

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YouTube - My Spirituality as an Atheist

 

[waitasec]

What, don't you know hope and love when you see them?

but that the tricky part isn't it? as far as hope is concerned...that has nothing to do reality- it's s desire for something good. and as a person who values truth, love is known by experience, if you're in a relationship.
if you want to be in a relationship you hope and if you look at love through hope...i'm not so sure that's being realistic...sure it's nice and fuzzy...but is it real...how do you know it's real....?

 

[Penumbra]

What does an atheist know about love and hope?

Hope to children? The atheist worldview is toxic to the souls of children.

Those are some pretty unfounded things to say.

How is an atheistic worldview toxic to children?

 

[sandy whitelinger]

Okay, so it's been a while since I've posted a thread and I'm not sure how this'll turn out, but anyway I have a few simple questions:

Does the perception that your belief(s) (or lack of belief) is true make you happy about your belief(s) or does the happiness you get from your belief(s) (or lack of belief) lead you to percieve your belief(s) as true...

That's as far as I got then my head exploded.

 

[blackout]

but that the tricky part isn't it? as far as hope is concerned...that has nothing to do reality- it's s desire for something good. and as a person who values truth, love is known by experience, if you're in a relationship.
if you want to be in a relationship you hope and if you look at love through hope...i'm not so sure that's being realistic...sure it's nice and fuzzy...but is it real...how do you know it's real....?

In a very real sense,
there is only what you do and don't do.
On and off. 0's and 1's.

Though I'm tired,
and rather suspect I might be a bit 'off' on that.


(ps... I was /sarcasm...re Pete's post up above. But still you're right.
I think.):cover:

*stops typing and goes to bank before it closes....*

 

[waitasec]

In a very real sense,
there is only what you do and don't do.
On and off. 0's and 1's.

Though I'm tired,
and rather suspect I might be a bit 'off' on that.


(ps... I was /sarcasm...re Pete's post up above. But still you're right.
I think.):cover:

*stops typing and goes to bank before it closes....*

i gotcha...
i'm a fan of sarcasm

 

[Midnight Pete]

See, one of the nice things about atheism is that you don't have to care what your celebrities say.

Another one is that you can never misrepresent your own lofty ideals by behaving badly.

 

[jarofthoughts]

Another one is that you can never misrepresent your own lofty ideals by behaving badly.

That is because atheism doesn't have lofty ideals.
Atheism doesn't "sell" anything.

Rather it is the position in which you aren't buying what the theists are selling.

 

[waitasec]

Another one is that you can never misrepresent your own lofty ideals by behaving badly.

but that can be applied to 'christians' too...
what's your point?

 

[Orias]

Okay, so it's been a while since I've posted a thread and I'm not sure how this'll turn out, but anyway I have a few simple questions:

Does the perception that your belief(s) (or lack of belief) is true make you happy about your belief(s) or does the happiness you get from your belief(s) (or lack of belief) lead you to percieve your belief(s) as true?

If its one, its the other.

What leads you to perceive your belief(s) as true?

The fact that its perception, and everyone perceives. Though it is not always viewed the same in different consciences. It is a natural order, pereception is truth in an ambiguous manner. Since all men view their beliefs and perceptions as truths, it is truths. Reflections of the Nature of the Universe.

What tools or processes do you use to scrutinize your belief(s) and their truth value?

I wouldn't go as far to say that. I dictate just as much of my belief as much as life dictates me.

And are you being honest with yourself?

Of course I'm not expecting absolute certainty of you and your beliefs 'cause that's just absurd.

Of course, as far as deceiving myself on what life is, I would say I find honesty in my created perception. Simply because thats all it is...

 

[waitasec]

empirical truth doesn't care about your feelings. truth is hard and cold.

 

[Erebus]

Okay, so it's been a while since I've posted a thread and I'm not sure how this'll turn out, but anyway I have a few simple questions:

1.Does the perception that your belief(s) (or lack of belief) is true make you happy about your belief(s) or does the happiness you get from your belief(s) (or lack of belief) lead you to percieve your belief(s) as true?

2.What leads you to perceive your belief(s) as true?

3. What tools or processes do you use to scrutinize your belief(s) and their truth value?

4. And are you being honest with yourself?

Of course I'm not expecting absolute certainty of you and your beliefs 'cause that's just absurd.

1. Honestly, I'm not as concerned with truth as I am practicality. Truth is such an intagible, subjective and sometimes dangerous concept that I care less about whether my beliefs/practices are true and more about whether they work.

2. I don't consider my beliefs to be necessarily true. What they accomplish is more than enough for me to justify having them.

3. If it doesn't help you, abandon it.

4. Most of the time yes. At times though I deliberately lie to myself during ritual depending on what I want to achieve.


@Midnight Pete: I've just been reading through this thread and for somebody who claims people on this forum persecute you and are passive aggressive towards you, you sure are being hostile to others without good reason. Consider that next time you complain of persecution.

 

[Orias]

empirical truth doesn't care about your feelings. truth is hard and cold.

Thats a given. It cares about itself, just like us

Self Preservation is the highest law.

 

[Midnight Pete]

That is because atheism doesn't have lofty ideals.
Atheism doesn't "sell" anything.

Rather it is the position in which you aren't buying what the theists are selling.

Richard Dawkins not selling anything? :areyoucra I'd say he's just as much of a salesman as the pimple-faced Mormon missionary on your doorstep or the preacher-man on your TV. It's not very often I see an evangelist with Dawkins' verve and determination and absolute faith in what he's selling.

 

[waitasec]

Richard Dawkins not selling anything? :areyoucra I'd say he's just as much of a salesman as the pimple-faced Mormon missionary on your doorstep or the preacher-man on your TV. It's not very often I see an evangelist with Dawkins' verve and determination and absolute faith in what he's selling.

the thing is you bought into it without empirical evidence...
it's all relative, right?