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"Wifely Duties?"

Does a husband have a right to sex, regardless of his wife's wishes?

  • Yes

    Votes: 8 10.3%
  • No

    Votes: 56 71.8%
  • Sometimes/ Maybe (please specify in thread)

    Votes: 4 5.1%
  • Other (please specify in thread)

    Votes: 10 12.8%

  • Total voters
    78
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painted wolf

Grey Muzzle
Perhaps if the couple communicated more honestly then sex wouldn't be an issue.

And I do think that the point about Dallas' aunt is relevant to the discussion. A lot has been made so far on the idea of the damage done to couples that don't have enough sex.

A healthy sex life is not a substitute or measure for a healthy relationship.

wa:do
 

Magic Man

Reaper of Conversation
Yes..I would say the exact same thing and Im saying it now.I have been "unsatisfied" in both those areas. I let it go Matt.I stopped expecting that to be met to MY "level" of satisfaction.And I found it a great relief.I appreciated what I had.Not what I didnt.

Love

Dallas

So, you're in a marriage where you're unsatisfied emotionally and financially? I'd say that's something that needs to be fixed, not something to just accept. I'd say, in that case, that you should re-evaluate your situation because that doesn't sound healthy at all.
 

Magic Man

Reaper of Conversation
I was exchanging with Painted Wolf.It is relevant to the discussion she and I were having.If it bothers her I divulged that tid bit of personal information Im sure she will let me know.

Love

Dallas

Whether or not it's relevant to a side discussion, it's not relevant to the topic of the thread.
 

challupa

Well-Known Member
You know, from reading everyone's responses, I get the feeling we are missing something important here. Mball keeps saying it is a reasonable expectation to have sex in a marriage. Others are saying it is too hard to determine who has the right to make that decision so have dropped the expectation part completely. I agree that reasonable expectation is really hard to work out. Mball says between couples, but then which one in the marriage gets to decide what is reasonable. I see this as rift with problems if the two people trying to determine reasonable expectations are miles apart on the issue.

The survey of the reasons for divorce are very interesting. It lists sexual problems at the bottom. So it would seem, as others have already mentioned, that stress from other life events lead in the end to sexual problems.

If a person is depressed, sick, or has an almost non existent libido, they obviously will not feel like having sex. For awhile the partner can understand this, but when it goes on for any length of time the partner usually starts to question the abstinence and resent it. How they handle it at that point can imo determine how their sex life will go in the future. If the person that desires sex respects the wishes of the other person who does not, not guilting the person or pestering, there is a good chance that the person will eventually come to the place where sexual relations are resumed. Mostly because they feel respected in a very important area of their lives.

However, if they are pestered or guilted in any way, they will likely be even further turned off by their partner. This can reach a place where they really no longer desire their partner and don't feel respected. When this happens, if they give in to the guilt trips or pestering, they will feel resentful. The more they do give in, the more resentful they become. Eventually, it will lead to the death of all sexual feelings towards that person. When that happens this usually is a crossroads in a marriage. There are two ways to go usually, one is accepting a sexless relationship that may be good in other ways, or getting a divorce. If the one person who wants sex cannot live without it, then I would say divorce is their only option or an open relationship where they can have sex with other people.

The thing is most of these things escalate to that extent because of expectations in the first place. Because we look for others to "complete" us we expect them to do things we want them to do. When they fail to do that, we get angry or resentful. No one is there to serve us. They are there to share their journey with us in the way "they" choose to. Just as we have that right also.

So personally, if I was in a relationship that was making me resentful of my partner in any way, I would have to give a great deal of thought to why I was staying. It is very likely if I'm not enjoying the relationship, neither is my partner so staying to gether for the sake of propriety isn't doing either one of us any good. Sometimes it's a fact that people are not compatible and it's okay to say goodbye. Sometimes the marriage has got to the state where you're partner just isn't interested in you anymore, and as hard as that may be to take, it needs to be addressed. I don't think it is ever right to expect the other person to serve us sexually. We don't expect it from people we aren't married to so why should we suddenly not respect the wishes of someone that means a lot to us. Marriage should not be an institution that takes the rights away from someone. That's my opinion obviously and won't be others.
 

DallasApple

Depends Upon My Mood..
Perhaps if the couple communicated more honestly then sex wouldn't be an issue.

And I do think that the point about Dallas' aunt is relevant to the discussion. A lot has been made so far on the idea of the damage done to couples that don't have enough sex.

A healthy sex life is not a substitute or measure for a healthy relationship.

wa:do

Thank you Painted Wolf.(by the way have I ever told you besides Tigers that I am in awe with the Wolf? :) magnificent creatures I greatly admire)..

Anyway..yes..when my Aunt came here to Tx..from Alabama to take "refuge" from the war going on between she and her husband..I asked her how about sex?She said "how about it"? I said well??You know do ya'll ever have sex?.She crinkled her brow and said yeah..like 3 or 4 times a week.:eek:Im like WHAT!!..She said that had never been a problem.In fact..after they divorced the first time(like 30 years previous)..the reason they remarried was because after they were divorced they kept wanting to have sex and she got pregnant (out of wedlock) with their first child..and decided to get married again.They were definately a perfect "sexual " match.And it didnt help a thing.

Love

Dallas
 

Magic Man

Reaper of Conversation
Perhaps if the couple communicated more honestly then sex wouldn't be an issue.

Perhaps, or perhaps communication isn't the problem. You can try to make it a different issue all you want, but it won't make it so. We're talking about a situation where communication is good, and there is nothing really wrong with the marriage other than the sex.

And I do think that the point about Dallas' aunt is relevant to the discussion. A lot has been made so far on the idea of the damage done to couples that don't have enough sex.

Right, and? So, some couples have problems in spite of having enough sex to satisfy both. So? There are plenty of couples whose relationships are damaged by a lack of sex, and those are the ones we're talking about.

A healthy sex life is not a substitute or measure for a healthy relationship.

wa:do

That's kind of turning it around, though, isn't it? Who said it was? Yes, you can have a healthy sex life and not be compatible enough for a long-term relationship. That's reversed, though. It's also possible to have a long-term relationship that works without having a healthy sex life, but that's not always possible. To some people, the sex life is a crucial part of the relationship and they will not be able to keep up the relationship without an adequate one.

So, yes, there needs to be more than a sex life, but for many people, there also has to be the sex life, which is what we're talking about here.
 

DallasApple

Depends Upon My Mood..
Whether or not it's relevant to a side discussion, it's not relevant to the topic of the thread.

If Storm wants to redirect me..then so be it.In the meantime Painted Wolf and I have found relevence.You dont have to make any contributions to that discussion we are having.Its not a requirement.

Love

Dallas
 

DallasApple

Depends Upon My Mood..
If a person is depressed, sick, or has an almost non existent libido, they obviously will not feel like having sex. For awhile the partner can understand this, but when it goes on for any length of time the partner usually starts to question the abstinence and resent it. How they handle it at that point can imo determine how their sex life will go in the future. If the person that desires sex respects the wishes of the other person who does not, not guilting the person or pestering, there is a good chance that the person will eventually come to the place where sexual relations are resumed. Mostly because they feel respected in a very important area of their lives.

This is the nail on the head mam.You think you have problems during a dry spell?Wait untill you realize you have created a cancer out of a cold due to your obsessing on having your needs met to your satisfaction.

Love

Dallas
 

Magic Man

Reaper of Conversation
If Storm wants to redirect me..then so be it.In the meantime Painted Wolf and I have found relevence.You dont have to make any contributions to that discussion we are having.Its not a requirement.

Love

Dallas

See, Painted Wolf's last response went the way it was meant. You say it's not supposed to be relevant, but, in reality, you think it is, for the reason she brought up. That's why I was pointing it out, because you think that it has some relevance on the broader discussion at hand, when it doesn't.
 

painted wolf

Grey Muzzle
Perhaps, or perhaps communication isn't the problem. You can try to make it a different issue all you want, but it won't make it so. We're talking about a situation where communication is good, and there is nothing really wrong with the marriage other than the sex.
Apparently communication isn't good if the couple has such a dysfunctional sex life.

So, yes, there needs to be more than a sex life, but for many people, there also has to be the sex life, which is what we're talking about here.
No one has said that couples shouldn't have sex.
Just that men have no greater 'right' to sex than women have to say no when she doesn't want sex.

wa:do
 

DallasApple

Depends Upon My Mood..
However, if they are pestered or guilted in any way, they will likely be even further turned off by their partner. This can reach a place where they really no longer desire their partner and don't feel respected. When this happens, if they give in to the guilt trips or pestering, they will feel resentful. The more they do give in, the more resentful they become. Eventually, it will lead to the death of all sexual feelings towards that person. When that happens this usually is a crossroads in a marriage. There are two ways to go usually, one is accepting a sexless relationship that may be good in other ways, or getting a divorce. If the one person who wants sex cannot live without it, then I would say divorce is their only option or an open relationship where they can have sex with other people.

Again this is it.Thats why I WARN people to stop it with the pressure.Ease up on it if you dont want to end up having to go wandering around looking for love..a love you could have had with the one you chose.And the irony of watching them go off and having a new sexual partner that they enjoy it with as well will bewilder you.

Love

Dallas
 

Magic Man

Reaper of Conversation
Apparently communication isn't good if the couple has such a dysfunctional sex life.

Well, that's your opinion. However, it's not reality.

No one has said that couples shouldn't have sex.
Just that men have no greater 'right' to sex than women have to say no when she doesn't want sex.

wa:do

Actually, a lot more than that has been said. The point is that the woman has a right to say "no", when she doesn't feel like it, but that only goes so far. If she (or he in some cases) wants the marriage to remain healthy, she might have to have sex when she doesn't really feel like it.
 

Magic Man

Reaper of Conversation
Again this is it.Thats why I WARN people to stop it with the pressure.Ease up on it if you dont want to end up having to go wandering around looking for love..a love you could have had with the one you chose.And the irony of watching them go off and having a new sexual partner that they enjoy it with as well will bewilder you.

Love

Dallas

Of course, then the question is "Who said anyone should pressure their wife or husband into it?". And the answer is "No one".
 

DallasApple

Depends Upon My Mood..
Of course, then the question is "Who said anyone should pressure their wife or husband into it?". And the answer is "No one".

Then if she is "having to have sex when she doesnt want to" where would that come from Mball if its not "pressure" coming from somewhere?

Love

Dallas
 

DallasApple

Depends Upon My Mood..
The point is that the woman has a right to say "no", when she doesn't feel like it, but that only goes so far.

HOW is that not "pressure"..What is the "only goes so far" part if that isnt some sort of a "pressure" or threat to have sex when she doesnt want to?

Love

Dallas
 

painted wolf

Grey Muzzle
Well, that's your opinion. However, it's not reality.
Really. Somehow I'm skeptical.

Actually, a lot more than that has been said. The point is that the woman has a right to say "no", when she doesn't feel like it, but that only goes so far. If she (or he in some cases) wants the marriage to remain healthy, she might have to have sex when she doesn't really feel like it.
"just do it" is fine for sneakers but not for a healthy sex life.
Perhaps the man needs to work harder on wooing his mate?

wa:do
 

Kilgore Trout

Misanthropic Humanist
Then if she is "having to have sex when she doesnt want to" where would that come from Mball if its not "pressure" coming from somewhere?

Love

Dallas

Well, there can certainly be self-pressure. Sometimes I'm not really into having sex, but I do because my wife's libido is running higher lately, and I want her to be happy. Besides, I know that even if I don't want to, that state can often change quickly.

We both do other things, often primarily to make the other person happy. I know all relationships aren't like this, but it works for us.
 

painted wolf

Grey Muzzle
Not to get personal, but do you and your wife "woo" one another in these instances. You know to warm up to the mood?
If you are truly unable to get into the mood, does you're wife understand and forgo sex?

wa:do
 

DallasApple

Depends Upon My Mood..
Besides, I know that even if I don't want to, that state can often change quickly.

Yes..but for many women..that state doesnt "change quickly" due to various reasons.Then its suggested she fake it.

We have already gone over that.

I see nothing wrong with thinking.."I don't really want to right now..but he does..and I THINK I can get into it if I go on ahead and let it happen.

Thats not the same thing as KNOWING you dont want to..and you can NOT enjoy it or get into it and not only having to "do it anyway" but fake that it feels good and you like it and you want it.Because you are under "pressure" to do it or else something bad might happen.and he knows you dont want to and decided his needs were more important...He just wants to have his.

Love

Dallas
 
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