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Featured Your Best Argument for God's Existence

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by ftacky, Jan 10, 2019.

  1. Thirza Fallen

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    If it is evidence, it does not prove any particular god.
     
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    Most atheists are ex christians? How did you determine that?
     
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    Would design allow for all of the flaws abounding in nature?

    Matter cannot be created or destroyed. Everything needed for the "big bang" was already there.
     
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    Are you a creationist?
     
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    The correct term is "recovering Christian".
    A little sensitivity, please!
     
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  7. osgart

    osgart Nothing my eye, Something for sure

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    I dont believe god exists myself but biological function suggests intentionality in the makings of creatures. Especially the human body. Legs and feet, hands and arms. No one has ever came up with a valid explanation of specific biological function, more like, they try to explain it away. Anything to avoid intentionality in the makings of living creatures.
     
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    What do you mean by "explanation of specific biological function"??
     
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    For the record, i Know God exists.
    These are not instructions per say. these are combinations of chemical ingredients that cause cells to form and position themselves in specific locations.
    Actually, yes.
    The process of complexity out of simplicity can be demonstrated.
    Try and look at it the other way around. the instructions describe a situation and not the situation arise from the instructions.
    Not really.
    If you'll start a random process and repeat it enough times, pattern will emerge that will seem ordered but are not really ordered.

    Yep. this wasn't always the case.
    Actually.. yes (in a way). we today already have codes that write codes.
    What do you mean? life is a natural being!
    Here is the problem. you assume judgement day from something that has got nothing to do with it.
    Lets say that indeed we are a pre-designed life form. how does that prove judgement day?
    Not all indeed. we already today have an understanding how simple tasks can create order and huge complexity.
    This doesn't mean it will not be discovered eventually.
    DNA is assumed to be a more complex RNA structure.
    We have some thesis how life formed and none can (yet) be approved or disapproved.
    I would say the fact we have the ability to act against all the complexity you just mentioned is a proof that at least the free will notion is true.
    I take each claim as a separate proof.

    So far, many claims from the bible are validated and appear to be true.
    Examples:

    Free will.
    Initial state of the universe.
    Non-gender to gender.

    And many many more.
     
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    osgart Nothing my eye, Something for sure

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    Just the simple form and function of human bodies. It appears that my feet are purposed to walk, hands seem purposed to grab. It appears that eyes are meant to see, and ears to hear. Its not perfect, but its what a creature needs to live and survive. It does not seem haphazard and chaotic that we have all the functions of the human body. Nor does it seem that order and function would ever arise from nature if there were no intentionality behind it. It appears obvious to me that this is the case.

    I hear the arguments that natural selection and random variation in mutations are undirected and inevitable brute fact that life exists. But i am unconvinced by that.
     
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    Time spent in study helps the understanding of a y topic.

    Far from "explain away" the explsnation for form structure
    and function of organ systems is laid out most elegantly
    and in great detail.

    Not saying this is 5 minutes, or a month of eze resding.
    It isnt.

    For those among us who have put in the long hours in lab, lecture
    and study, though, it is not about "being convinced" really,
    but understanding the sense and elegance of evolution.

    There is a lot to understand, but nothing to "explain away".

    And for that matter, nothing about any of it being incompatible
    with "god". Just no role for a god who must tinker adjust and
    meddle to keep his crestion from going off the rail.
     
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    osgart Nothing my eye, Something for sure

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    Fair enough!

    I see what i see. I really dont buy into a supernatural deity.

    For me , it is a lousy creation anyways.
     
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    Aww.. Someone needs a hug. :D
     
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    You're asking a lot. There are whole textbooks about abiogenesis and the origin of life, and YouTube's full of simplified videos about it.
    if you're asking the evolution of the code it's more straightforward. ordinary evolutionary process like natural selection built it up over millions of years.

    It's not that complicated a molecule, just long -- being a polymer and all. Nucleotides self assemble all the time.
    Yes, design and intent have always been inferred, but with the advent of science we've come to understand that tides, eclipses, anatomy, thunder, reproduction, landforms &c have natural explanations that don't require a living being to engineer.
    Which is a mistake, of course. Many complex things form all on their own, guided only by the unguided laws of chemistry or physics.
    Hoyle's old "whirlwind in a junkyard" not being able to assemble a 747 just showed his misunderstanding of the mechanisms of evolution.

    Airplanes -- or cars -- don't reproduce with variation. There's nothing for evolution to work with. The example just won't fly.
     
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    I believe God created it, yes. The age of the earth is not important to me. However, recorded history is about 5 to 8 thousand years. But, the earth? It dont matter to me. God created it.

    Your an ex christian? What made you leave?
     
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    when people see the UFOs, they talk about aliens although we have no conclusive evidence for them. Why people then ignore the so many signs indicating God Almighty?
     
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    Right, the parts wer designed from blueprints with a built car in mind. Which is indicative to DNA information having in mind what our built body will be like using proteins.

    Right, unless one was a engineer or machanic, it be hard to rebuild the car, and impossible for a tornado to do so.

    Likewise, natural, unintelligent forces (e.g. the tornado) building our body's?

    Id like to clarify more on the non design. When our bodys die, they break down, decompose and become firtilizer for the ground. So, the former design (we can call it body) is no longer THAT design anymore. In otherwords its NON design now. But, its turned into a DIFFERENT design. That new design is firtilizer.

    What you think?
     
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    "You're" :D

    Never was any sort of religionist.

    If you've no interest / curiosity re
    things like the histoty if earth, you
    dont. I've a idea to explore here,
    so tty this- do you think thete really
    wasva Noahs ark?
     
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    Where did God come from? Certainly a god that can create such a sophisticated universe must be at least as sophisticated, and also demands an explanation if the universe demands an explanation. So who made God?
     
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    So many Signs. :D

    You believe in flying saucers?
    Bigfoot?
    Nessie?
    Reptoids?
    Mermaids?
    Chupacabre?
     
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