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Featured Your Best Argument for God's Existence

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by ftacky, Jan 10, 2019.

  1. ftacky

    ftacky Member

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    Here's mine:
    Proof God exists is SUPER EASY for anyone to understand (sadly, the stubborn denier is the exception):

    1) Each DNA contains 100 million pages worth of instructions to build the entire body. Do instructions write themselves? Nope. Instructions don't write themselves. Behind every instruction is an 'instructor' who authored it. Carl Sagan said: "The information content of a simple cell has been established as around one trillion bits, comparable to about 100 million pages of the Encyclopaedia Britannica."

    2) Every genome is written as a quaternary molecular digital code: "All present life is based on digitally-encoded information." (American Academy of Sciences). Do digital programs write themselves? Nope again.

    3) Each cell contains hi-tech miniature organs (organelles - nucleus, golgi bodies, mitochondria, chloroplasts, etc.) - none of which are naturally found elsewhere - hence no natural explanation for their existence.

    4) Who can write a 100 million pages worth of instructions and then stuff it into every cell of our body? This hyper-intellect is who we will face on Judgment Day.

    With item (1) almost every reasonable person acknowledges that they have never seen nor heard of instructions writing themselves. This is common sense to most people although not all.

    Some argue they see all the above occur in nature when cells reproduce. However, there is still no explanation how the very first living cell came about with all those instructions in its DNA, and although some theorize that organelles were first formed by bacteria invading a host 'cell', we've never seen organelles produced by such a mechanism nor has such a mechanism ever been DEMONSTRATED and VALIDATED by any study.

    Anyway, I would like to hear your argument for God's existence. Thank you.
     
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  2. Jollybear

    Jollybear Hey

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    Trying to show evidence to a stubborn atheist is like trying to show and explain a tree and beauty of the sun to a blind man.
     
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  3. Willamena

    Willamena Just me
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    Information is the argument against "God," not for it. We can make up a "who," but that doesn't defy information.

    The best argument for God is apophatic theology. God that can be described is not God.
     
  4. Nowhere Man

    Nowhere Man Bompu Zen Man with a little bit of Bushido.

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    I'm glad scientists can do pretty much the same thing that God can.

    Scientists Store Video Clip in DNA of Living Cells | Smart News | Smithsonian

    This is a great and fine assessment for church and bible study, however I would encourage and recommend a serious study of Science and how information actually comes about in biological organisms and the role it plays in survival of the organism.

    The old tyme religion is great, the science however is atrocious.
     
  5. Sapiens

    Sapiens Polymathematician

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    Illogical as you claim it to be, ultimately all the evidence indicates that the "instructions" did, in fact, "write themselves. You're breaking into the process at midstream and deciding that because you see something to your immediate left and right that the same must be true for the entire chain. You have no evidence, only logical fallacies to support your views.

    As far as mitochondria are concerned, there is definitive proof that they were once free living organisms.
     
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  6. Earthling

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    What is the inspiration behind the statement that "God that can be described is not God?" I don't understand where that comes from. There's no basis for it. It seems to me that nothing in any definition of any god, or, if you insist, God (seemingly a strange and precarious insistence to be made, especially by an agnostic or atheist) is without such a prerequisite. So it seems to me, and probably to many theists, that it's just another way of saying any God you can think of doesn't exist.

    But I guess that's the nature of apophatic theology, isn't it? Link
     
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    The possession of belief of life.
     
  8. Valjean

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    The "instructions" are determined by the usual methods of natural selection. These fully account for the genetic code. There is no need to try to insert any magical authors.
    You don't understand basic biology.
    Again, Anatomy, physiology and biochemestry are explained by natural mechanisms. No magical intent or alteration of natural laws is required.
    You don't understand basic biology.
    How is this evidence of magical design? There are natural explanations for all of these.
    Where were you in biology class?
    Yes, yes you can. Some amoebas have many times this number.
    There are natural mechanisms that account for the genetic code. No hyper-intellect needed. How do you not know this?
    Almost all scientists and biologically literate people disagree. Anyone with a high-school knowledge of biology understands how the instructions were 'written' -- by ordinary, observed, tested well-understood biological mechanisms.
    The first cell? Now you're talking about a whole different field of study.
    Life didn't just pop into existence. There's a spectrum from lifeless to alive, with many semi-alive points in between. You can see and replicate many of these steps in the lab.

    A cell's organelles are programmed the same way any other anatomic features are, and we can see them forming. There's nothing mysterious here. You just don't understand basic biology and are arguing from ignorance.
    Can't help you there. Sorry.
     
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  9. Unveiled Artist

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    Trying to use external proof for god doesnt work. Can you demonstrate how looking at DNA means there is an instructor? How did you come to that conclusion to where your findings demonstrate this proof to all people and not only you? (Facts are universal)

    God is an experience. Proof of these experiences are testimonies. Peoples testimonies do not show one god but many. You learn people stories and your own, you find god. (If this is a christian god the Book Hebrews comes to mind and the word faith. God is wthin. Not DNA.

    Waste of time trying to intellectualize it. Christians try to proove god for centuries. Atheists werent atheist before but philosophers and sketptics
     
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    Thats messed up. You have to use a different method. Using the same old method such as nature patterns makes us blind. Don't blind us with repeats. Not all of us see proof from without. Try within.

    Trying to find god outside of you is a waste of time.

    God is a testimony not DNA
    All About GOD Testimonies

    Bible is full of testimony not facts.
     
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    Nice proof of "god" is the ah ha! moment. Another is meaningful synchronicity. A lot of people experience those. God can be expressed and felt by community in a church of people of like mind. God can be the result or source of two people falling in love. God is so gratitude.

    There is no proof of a deity, just god.
     
  12. Unguru

    Unguru I am a Sikh nice to meet you

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    "God" is self evident, this is why atheists have such a hard time understanding "theists". They don't know what they are "looking" for and as a result, they think they're talking about God being not but their are lost in their words to have any meaningful way of understanding what the theist is talking about. The (true) theist however, grapples with a facet of the nature of existence (which is synonymous with that God is) which the atheist can't understand on a rational level but the theist tries to understand it rather than force atheistic dogmas on the truth.
     
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    But theist need to have a solid definition of god. Atheists are all over the place because theist can' find or have a central definition of what god is.

    Atheist is a reflective opposite of a theist. So, there needs to be a theist explanation in order for the atheist can disagree to. If the theist doesnt have a solid definition, how do they expect atheists to respond?
     
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    No one has ever produced any verifiable evidence to prove the existence of god.
     
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  16. Nowhere Man

    Nowhere Man Bompu Zen Man with a little bit of Bushido.

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    Theists don't have evidence. None. Ziltch. Nada.
     
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    Unguru I am a Sikh nice to meet you

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    Translated into English: "Hi, I'm Nowhere Man an I'm an atheist."
     
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    Ideas exist, "God" is an idea, therefor "God" exists.

    Next time be more specific with your question.
     
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    We have lots....not proof. But we have lots of evidence. You have lots of denial of it.
     
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    Theres both kinds of evidence for God. Theres design and spiritual experiences
     
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