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Why is it Only those who "Walk with God" have Encountered Satan?

Discussion in 'General Debates' started by MSizer, Nov 19, 2009.

  1. blackout

    blackout Violet.

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    Everytime someone challanges you,
    they are Satan.
    (or else, they are just someone challanging you) lolol
     
  2. Liam Anderson

    Liam Anderson Determined Guardian

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    That's not what I meant, please, don't twist my words. Let me explain what I think, if I was unclear.

    Everyone someone challenges me or hurts me, they are themselves, doing it (purposely or otherwise) out of their own free will. God and Satan are above us. They only use these incidents to test us. They are tools for them. Not the people - their actions, the circumstances that arise from them.

    And they both sit back and watch what I do with it. If I fail, I can always rise and try again - this is what God wants me to do. If I fail and give up, remain thinking about myself that I'm no good, not worth it, defeated - that's achieving Satan's goal. In the end, I lose my faith because of the common misconception that God should have sprung to my help. But, by remaining defeated, I denied Him the chance...

    Does it make more sense now?
     
  3. blackout

    blackout Violet.

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    Awww honey, I'm sorry.
    My post really wasn't directed at you.
    Sometimes my posts are kind of just me thinking out loud to mySelf.
    This was one of those posts.

    Just to clarify, I see Satan as an "Avitar" of sorts,
    he is "real" in that what he stands for/'embodies' (to me) is real,
    and in terms of magick, I may even regard "him/her" as "real"...
    but, unless our Avitars BE-COME sentient & autonomous by our own creation
    in some other realm, :shrug:
    his 'person' is no more than persona,
    though a very powerful persona at that.

    There have been a bunch of demon possession threads up lately.
    Probably that was in the back of my mind when I put up that last post.
    Still the misunderstanding did get another informative post out of you,
    so it's all good.

    For the record, and to be clear, I do not think that either gOd or Satan are above me.
    (or you or anyone)

    (I am a Pantheist/Panenthiest)
     
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  4. Liam Anderson

    Liam Anderson Determined Guardian

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    Ah I see. An interesting notion, I'm not very familiar with it. So, in a way, God and Satan are, for you, just manifestations of ourselves? The good and the bad side of our psyche?
     
  5. zenzero

    zenzero Its only a Label

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    Friend MSizer,

    For understanding sake Take this *god* you mention as *consciousness* which is LIGHT.
    As Jesus had said *Be a light unto yourself*. Taking the individual light and the universal light walking together makes it just Light [no separation exists] now taking satan meaning darkness can you tell me if this LIGHT can ever meet or see darkness? No never. Darkness can see LIGHT and recoil but light can never encounter darkness.
    This is the understanding.

    Love & rgds
     
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  6. blackout

    blackout Violet.

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    gOd for me is the ALL of existence and potential existence.

    gOd includes Satan, Me, You and everything else.
    Every idea, every thing, every conception,
    either existent or potential.
    Satan is gOd, I am gOd, you are gOd, even this computer is gOd.

    All things are divine.
    (or no things are)
     
  7. Herr Heinrich

    Herr Heinrich Student of Mythology

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    We create our own realities. Satan exists to people who believes he exists. When it comes to non-physical beings belief is really what creates them it seems. To the ancient Greeks their gods existed. They had an affect on their lives and realities. Not many people believe in them anymore so they don't affect our realities. Even if God and Satan don't "exist" they do in the consequences of their faithful's actions.
     
  8. Kilgore Trout

    Kilgore Trout Misanthropic Humanist

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    If you're not willing to engage in a little unnecessary relabeling, then how do you expect to ever encounter satan? Or god for that matter.
     
  9. Willamena

    Willamena Just me
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    Or even necessary relabeling.
     
  10. MSizer

    MSizer MSizer

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    Once as a joke one of my friends tore all of the labels off of my canned goods. Dinners were a surprise for a while.
     
  11. Kilgore Trout

    Kilgore Trout Misanthropic Humanist

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    Relabeling nonetheless.
     
  12. Willamena

    Willamena Just me
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    Of course. :D
     
  13. Salad

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    To accept the existence of Satan surely you must accept the existence of God, and if that were the case, wouldn't you be a Christian?
     
  14. Ba'al

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    Why not a Jew, Muslim, Baha'i, or Raelian? They all have their version of Satan.

     
  15. Salad

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    of course...
    a rewording is in order :)

    To accept the existence of Satan surely you must accept the existence of God.
    Whilst you claim to be an Atheist MSizer, your post suggests differently and therefore I can only conclude that you either 1. need to reconsider your religious positioning or 2. you are merely playing Devil's advocate.

    xx
     
  16. DallasApple

    DallasApple Depends Upon My Mood..

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    Hmmm...what I think is Satan is called by other names ."Its" got a way of affecting anyone whether they believe in God or not..IMHO.

    Its a bad feeling..basically tormented.

    Oh well call it what you will.

    Love

    Dallas
     
  17. Quoth The Raven

    Quoth The Raven Half Arsed Muse

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    It's The Reds that are under the bed, Phil. Satan tends to hang around the seedy bars and the occasional brothel.:yes:
     
  18. FreeSpirit

    FreeSpirit Life is wonder...

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    My friend,

    I don't believe that only those who "Walk with God" experience Satan. I personally do not believe in such a being, but is Satan not supposed to symbolise all the evil and hurt in the world? Everyone encounters evil and hurt at some point in their lives. If not every day, then at least once a week.

    For example, I am forever hearing on the radio of some plonker who has murdered some other poor person. Is this not evil? Another example, and I'm very sorry if this hurts anyone, would be the Dunblaine Massacre - where a man walked into a primary school and shot innocent schoolkids. Is this not evil?

    Just because you're an Atheist, and do not believe in a physical being of Evil, does not mean that you've never encountered such a thing. Satan is merely a personification of the evil and hurt in the world, no?

    Many blessings,

    Matt :flower:

    (If anyone feels that the example of Dunblaine is inappropriate, then please PM me and I'll remove it from my post.)
     
  19. Mestemia

    Mestemia Advocatus Diaboli
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    Why?
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  20. cardero

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    Then there would be no question of Universal Soveriegnty. There would be no way for people to choose who the best deity is to follow. Though not part of my belief system, this is the way that it was once explained to me.
     
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