I believe Peter knew that Jesus was Christ and what that meant. At the same time, the message was delivered to the capacity of the audience, it was applicable to the age it was given.
Regards Tony
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Why did the world reject the Messiah when He Did come?
- Thread starter TransmutingSoul
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I believe Peter knew that Jesus was Christ and what that meant. At the same time, the message was delivered to the capacity of the audience, it was applicable to the age it was given.
Regards Tony
Trailblazer
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Great quote... Isn't that related to separating the wheat from the chaff?
CG Didymus
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For most Christians they accept that Jesus is divine. I would imagine all Christians would say he is the Messiah of the Jews. But now we have the Baha'is. They say Jesus is not divine, as in being God, but is like a mirror reflecting God. They say the physical body of Jesus, the flesh, is dead and gone, but his spirit is alive. That same Christ-spirit has already returned, not once but three times since Jesus in Muhammad, The Bab and Baha'u'llah. In your studies, do you think that any of them have completed the list of the things the Messiah was to accomplish?
CG Didymus
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Hey firedragon, have you taken a look at the Baha'i claim that uses the 1260 days from Revelation and applies it to Islam? They use the day equals a year formula to make it 1260 years and say that the return was to happen in the 1260th year of Islam, which they say was 1844 when The Bab declared himself. I don't think any Christian has challenged them on that but what about coming from Islam? Does it make sense or are there some issues with their claim?
Just one thought CG, the date is the date, a Bahai cannot say it was, when it was not, here is a copy of the conversion done on the web;
1260 also = 9
Regards Tony
Trailblazer
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In your studies, have you found anything in prophecies that says that the Messiah Himself will complete this list of the things during His lifetime? Have you found anything in prophecies that says who will complete the list of things? Have you found anything in prophecies that designates a specific time-frame on when they will be completed?
Spartan
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Spartan
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You guys might want to research the Deity of Jesus in the Old Testament.
The Deity of Christ in the Old Testament
The Deity of Messiah in the Tenach and other Jewish Writings
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Spartan
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1. You make the novice error of failing to take into account that Jesus' Second Coming is expected to fulfill the remaining end time prophecies.
2. The Messiah will be God. The Deity of Messiah in the Tenach and other Jewish Writings
To see that has happened, I see that will take Faith you have suggested you can not muster
Thus I see many will wait, as many in the past have waited.
Regards Tony
CG Didymus
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The 1260 years is absolutely amazing. But, when do we start counting the 1260 years? From Revelation the outer court of the Temple is given to the nations to tread on for 42 months. When did that happen?
Next, the 2 witnesses prophecy for 1260 days. When did they start? Was it the same date that the nations were given the outer court? Oh, and who are they? Revelation says they are the 2 olives trees and the 2 lampstands.
When they finish their testimony, which last 1260 days, a beast kills them. They lie in the street for 3 1/2 days. After 3 1/2 days they come back to life.
Then a woman gives birth to a son and then flees to the wilderness for 1260 days. Later, she is given wings to fly back to her place in the wilderness for a time, a times and a half a time.
Next comes a beast that is given authority for 42 months. Later, another beast arrives on the scene. This one has a name or mark that adds up to 666.
Abdul Baha goes over some of this, but how can each reference to a time period that is interpreted as being 1260 years always begin and end at the same time? That is something the Baha'is can manipulate.
This prophecy records the entire dispensation of Muhammad and records the year when all things would be made new. The Message of the Bab closed the age of Muhammed in the year 1260, thus fulfilling those specific prophecies.
The Message of Muhammad found life again in the Message of Baha'u'llah.
The rejection of Muhammad was for the entire dispensation that closed in the year 1260, the Covenant was broken and Ali was rejected as the rightfully appointed successor.
Daniel comes to 1260 via the edict to rebuild the temple of 457BC and the 2300 years before the sanctuary was again cleansed. 2300-457+1 (as no year 0) = AD1844, or AH1260.
Regards Tony
firedragon
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Yes. Well it says days first, not years. So thats a far vague attempt. And Muslims where ever their regimes have been have got battered all over the place, so fire doest come from their mouths and they dont have the power to shut the sky. I think its a valiant attempt but is cherry picked for convenience.
firedragon
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Thats not the question I asked brother.
One must look into biblical prophecy to make such an observation. It is not a matter of convenience.
The day for a year principal was used by Biblical Scholars well before the Bab and Baha'u'llah gave their Messages as you can research at this link; Day-year principle - Wikipedia It was first used in Christian exposition in 380 AD by Ticonius.
There is no stronger prophecy for any Messenger in any other Holy Books than this prophecy. With this timeline, we also prove Muhammad was foretold in the Old and New Testaments.
Regards Tony
sooda
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Daniel, Isaiah are not about Jesus.. One should begin by learning about the prophets so as not to be deceived by poor scholarship. Much of Psalms were taken from the Ugaritic which is much older than King David.
Spartan
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How about Mithra. Is Mithra Christ?
Spartan
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You're wrong. That's poor scholarship to claim that.