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Featured Why did God send Messenger to convey His message instead of directly coming to speak?

Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by InvestigateTruth, Feb 11, 2019.

  1. Unveiled Artist

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    Some of us "atheist" in the background do have smarts. However, theists do ask the same question in different words in multiple threads. A lot of atheists can talk about religion and scholarly stuff with the most of them (belief in god doesn't make one ignorant) but, then again, the conversation needs to be of interest for both parties.
     
  2. Remté

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    Same questions versus same answers.
     
  3. Unveiled Artist

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    Pretty much. Would be nice to have different questions. Then there may be difference answers.
     
  4. Remté

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    I don't know about it in this case. But if you want different questions, ask them.
     
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    Does a pot ever say to his maker, "Why did you create me?"
     
  6. Unveiled Artist

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    Like I said, it would be nice if we had different questions we would have different answers.
     
  7. Remté

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    My pots would eventually start asking me that if I was a pot maker.
     
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    That's understandable, but sort of an unconstructive way of thinking.
     
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    If God talked to us directly we would be blinded by God's infinite greatness. Our minds would short out, we would die instantly, and get absorb back into God's mind from whence we came.
     
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  10. Remté

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    God doesn't have a *mind*.
     
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    Pots aren't living beings capable of suffering.
     
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  13. ratiocinator

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    What I was blaming was irrationality and, specifically, belief without evidence. Of course you need people but people do things for reasons. One of the reasons that people cause conflict, suffering, and death is because they believe their god(s), want them to.

    Take away the irrational belief and you have one less reason for people to cause conflict, suffering, and death.
     
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    Also, would He the sincere be distinguished from the insincere if was made that easy?
     
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    I believe God teaches only love and unity, brotherhood and mercy in the books of all religions.

    It is the clergy, priests and mullahs who have taught to hate, kill, and are the cause of many wars and behind each and every religious conflict. If people followed Jesus law of love for instance instead of the priests and mullahs then this world would be a paradise and at peace.

    Take away the clergy and you will have a united world. Having said that, there are some very sincere priests and clergy.
     
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    Have you read the bible? I know Christians tend to pick out the 'good' bits but there's an awful lot of god sanctioned nastiness, up to and including genocide.

    It doesn't really change my point. If people didn't accept the religious teachings (either from books or people) without questioning the evidence (or lack thereof), then there would be one less reason for conflict and persecution in the world.
     
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    G-d cannot make Himself appear as He has no appearance. He did create a national revelation at Mt. Sinai. Following that, the system is understood slightly differently than you may understand it. Prophets are people who study and prepare themselves for Divine Revelation. Among those people, G-d will select a particularly capable one and give them a message to pass on to the nation. Those who did not receive a message for the nation are also "prophets". The reason prophets are used is because the general population does not prepare themselves for prophecy and so cannot receive a personal revelation. If that were ever to change (and we expect it to during the Messianic era), everybody would be "prophets".

    I do not know of any verses off-hand that speak about G-d being on earth. But as a rule, we interpret all references to G-d metaphorically.
     
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    God did physically come down here on earth, in the body of Jesus Christ.

    God will again come down here on earth, in the body of Jesus Christ.

    But then theres the AntiChrist,
    But how will people know the difference.
    Between the real Christ and the fake Christ
     
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    This is an excellent question and there have been many excellent repsonses. Perhaps the quality of answers from those of different faiths reflects the influence each of the Messengers have had, whether it be Moses, Christ, Muhammad, Zoroaster or Baha'u'llah. Each of these Great Educators have provided a message to humanity. Their words remain today centuries later for us to considere. In a sense they have each been appointed by God to represent Him. So their appearance is like the appearance of God Himself and its as if God has spoken to humanity.

    God could come to earth as a being and in a sense that's exactly what He's done. He does not reveal a fuller measure of Himself as its beyond our capacity. Judgment day is whenever He manifests Himself through a man amongst men. The people of each generation is challenged to recognise Him and follow His Teachings. Judgment is a natural consequence of our actions, whether we turning towards such a Messenger or turn away. In that sense every day is judgment day for each one of us.
     
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    Yes I’ve read it. I know there were wars and Israel had enemies who’s main objective was to destroy them completely.

    It’s own my personal view but I believe it’s because humanity has completely disregarded the laws of God like love your fellow man that resulted in horrendous wars like the crusades, WW1 and WW2.

    I can’t see how we would not all be living in peace and prosperity if we all obeyed that one law alone of Jesus.
     
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