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Why did God send Messenger to convey His message instead of directly coming to speak?

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
Of course atheists can speak their mind, but that need not be confused with enlightment in the light of that the atheists never say anything each of them has not said the day before..

Some of us "atheist" in the background do have smarts. However, theists do ask the same question in different words in multiple threads. A lot of atheists can talk about religion and scholarly stuff with the most of them (belief in god doesn't make one ignorant) but, then again, the conversation needs to be of interest for both parties.
 

Remté

Active Member
Some of us "atheist" in the background do have smarts. However, theists do ask the same question in different words in multiple threads. A lot of atheists can talk about religion and scholarly stuff with the most of them (belief in god doesn't make one ignorant) but, then again, the conversation needs to be of interest for both parties.
Same questions versus same answers.
 

dfnj

Well-Known Member
For those who believe that God sent Prophets and Messengers, the Question is why He did not directly make Himself appear on earth and talk to humanity?
I suppose those who believe in Prophets and Messengers would be limited to Jews, Christians, Muslims, Zoroatrians, and Bahais. If I missed anyone else, please include.


If you say, God is invisible or cannot possibly come to earth as a Being, then how do you explain those verses in your Holy Book which explicitly speaks of the Day of Resurrection or the judgement Day, or the Last Day, when the Lord would be on earth?

If God talked to us directly we would be blinded by God's infinite greatness. Our minds would short out, we would die instantly, and get absorb back into God's mind from whence we came.
 

Remté

Active Member
If God talked to us directly we would be blinded by God's infinite greatness. Our minds would short out, we would die instantly, and get absorb back into God's mind from whence we came.
God doesn't have a *mind*.
 

England my lionheart

Rockerjahili Rebel
Premium Member
For those who believe that God sent Prophets and Messengers, the Question is why He did not directly make Himself appear on earth and talk to humanity?

The pope and all those priests and immams from islam would be out of work,the world wouldn't have suffered from religious wars,oppression,famine,stds,way too easy.

I suppose those who believe in Prophets and Messengers would be limited to Jews, Christians, Muslims, Zoroatrians, and Bahais. If I missed anyone else, please include.


If you say, God is invisible or cannot possibly come to earth as a Being, then how do you explain those verses in your Holy Book which explicitly speaks of the Day of Resurrection or the judgement Day, or the Last Day, when the Lord would be on earth?[/QUOTE

My bed bet some have and will try too.
 

ratiocinator

Lightly seared on the reality grill.
You continue to blame belief in god for conflict, suffering, and death.

That is NOT the root of any evil.

The root is a belief in oneself.

If you believe yourself to be correct and others to be wrong, you now have opened the door to suffering, conflict and death.

God had no part of these evils, or any others.

What I was blaming was irrationality and, specifically, belief without evidence. Of course you need people but people do things for reasons. One of the reasons that people cause conflict, suffering, and death is because they believe their god(s), want them to.

Take away the irrational belief and you have one less reason for people to cause conflict, suffering, and death.
 

loverofhumanity

We are all the leaves of one tree
Premium Member
If this happened, the concept of faith would not exist. Anyone who did not believe would be judged insane. There would be 1 religion, and that religion would be determined to be fact.

So. The simple answer is: God wants us to have faith.

If God wanted to speak directly to Humanity, then God would speak directly to Humanity. But doing so would be a fundamental change in reality rendering the concept of faith in God null and meaningless.

disclaimer: all of this is assuming God exists.

Also, would He the sincere be distinguished from the insincere if was made that easy?
 

loverofhumanity

We are all the leaves of one tree
Premium Member
What I was blaming was irrationality and, specifically, belief without evidence. Of course you need people but people do things for reasons. One of the reasons that people cause conflict, suffering, and death is because they believe their god(s), want them to.

Take away the irrational belief and you have one less reason for people to cause conflict, suffering, and death.

I believe God teaches only love and unity, brotherhood and mercy in the books of all religions.

It is the clergy, priests and mullahs who have taught to hate, kill, and are the cause of many wars and behind each and every religious conflict. If people followed Jesus law of love for instance instead of the priests and mullahs then this world would be a paradise and at peace.

Take away the clergy and you will have a united world. Having said that, there are some very sincere priests and clergy.
 

ratiocinator

Lightly seared on the reality grill.
I believe God teaches only love and unity, brotherhood and mercy in the books of all religions.

Have you read the bible? I know Christians tend to pick out the 'good' bits but there's an awful lot of god sanctioned nastiness, up to and including genocide.

It is the clergy, priests and mullahs who have taught to hate, kill, and are the cause of many wars and behind each and every religious conflict. If people followed Jesus law of love for instance instead of the priests and mullahs then this world would be a paradise and at peace.

It doesn't really change my point. If people didn't accept the religious teachings (either from books or people) without questioning the evidence (or lack thereof), then there would be one less reason for conflict and persecution in the world.
 

Tumah

Veteran Member
For those who believe that God sent Prophets and Messengers, the Question is why He did not directly make Himself appear on earth and talk to humanity?

G-d cannot make Himself appear as He has no appearance. He did create a national revelation at Mt. Sinai. Following that, the system is understood slightly differently than you may understand it. Prophets are people who study and prepare themselves for Divine Revelation. Among those people, G-d will select a particularly capable one and give them a message to pass on to the nation. Those who did not receive a message for the nation are also "prophets". The reason prophets are used is because the general population does not prepare themselves for prophecy and so cannot receive a personal revelation. If that were ever to change (and we expect it to during the Messianic era), everybody would be "prophets".

If you say, God is invisible or cannot possibly come to earth as a Being, then how do you explain those verses in your Holy Book which explicitly speaks of the Day of Resurrection or the judgement Day, or the Last Day, when the Lord would be on earth?

I do not know of any verses off-hand that speak about G-d being on earth. But as a rule, we interpret all references to G-d metaphorically.
 

Faithofchristian

Well-Known Member
For those who believe that God sent Prophets and Messengers, the Question is why He did not directly make Himself appear on earth and talk to humanity?
I suppose those who believe in Prophets and Messengers would be limited to Jews, Christians, Muslims, Zoroatrians, and Bahais. If I missed anyone else, please include.


If you say, God is invisible or cannot possibly come to earth as a Being, then how do you explain those verses in your Holy Book which explicitly speaks of the Day of Resurrection or the judgement Day, or the Last Day, when the Lord would be on earth?


God did physically come down here on earth, in the body of Jesus Christ.

God will again come down here on earth, in the body of Jesus Christ.

But then theres the AntiChrist,
But how will people know the difference.
Between the real Christ and the fake Christ
 

Dawnofhope

Non-Proselytizing Baha'i
Staff member
Premium Member
For those who believe that God sent Prophets and Messengers, the Question is why He did not directly make Himself appear on earth and talk to humanity?
I suppose those who believe in Prophets and Messengers would be limited to Jews, Christians, Muslims, Zoroatrians, and Bahais. If I missed anyone else, please include.

This is an excellent question and there have been many excellent repsonses. Perhaps the quality of answers from those of different faiths reflects the influence each of the Messengers have had, whether it be Moses, Christ, Muhammad, Zoroaster or Baha'u'llah. Each of these Great Educators have provided a message to humanity. Their words remain today centuries later for us to considere. In a sense they have each been appointed by God to represent Him. So their appearance is like the appearance of God Himself and its as if God has spoken to humanity.

If you say, God is invisible or cannot possibly come to earth as a Being, then how do you explain those verses in your Holy Book which explicitly speaks of the Day of Resurrection or the judgement Day, or the Last Day, when the Lord would be on earth?

God could come to earth as a being and in a sense that's exactly what He's done. He does not reveal a fuller measure of Himself as its beyond our capacity. Judgment day is whenever He manifests Himself through a man amongst men. The people of each generation is challenged to recognise Him and follow His Teachings. Judgment is a natural consequence of our actions, whether we turning towards such a Messenger or turn away. In that sense every day is judgment day for each one of us.
 

loverofhumanity

We are all the leaves of one tree
Premium Member
Have you read the bible? I know Christians tend to pick out the 'good' bits but there's an awful lot of god sanctioned nastiness, up to and including genocide.



It doesn't really change my point. If people didn't accept the religious teachings (either from books or people) without questioning the evidence (or lack thereof), then there would be one less reason for conflict and persecution in the world.

Yes I’ve read it. I know there were wars and Israel had enemies who’s main objective was to destroy them completely.

It’s own my personal view but I believe it’s because humanity has completely disregarded the laws of God like love your fellow man that resulted in horrendous wars like the crusades, WW1 and WW2.

I can’t see how we would not all be living in peace and prosperity if we all obeyed that one law alone of Jesus.
 
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