Thank you all for your interpretations and insights, I believe that a moderate Muslim suffers as we Christians do for the erroneous use of their tenets, it only a problem of interpretations and twisting of them. For example the jihad, I’ve known Muslim that take this as a war against sin an internal spiritual warfare against evil even evil thoughts such as killing non believers. What up set me is that the moderates are a majority that does not do enough to rescue their religions from the terrorist that use it to justify their actions a recruitments.
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What is a moderate Muslim?
- Thread starter emiliano
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Abu Rashid
Active Member
Jihad is the Arabic term for struggle or perseverance. In the sense of personal spirituality, yes it means to cleanse the soul and to fight ones desires. But in the realm of the state and politics, it refers to the Islamic Caliphate using it's military/diplomatic means to protect and promote the interests of Islam. And again in the sense of those being oppressed, attacked, invaded and occupied, it refers to the struggle and resistance against the aggressive power.
How on earth any of that can be misconstrued as "terrorism" is just beyond me. Only in the hands of media propagandists and in the receiving minds of dolts could it be so.
Jihad is a means of carrying out an honourable and just cause, in all it's expressions.
Let me ask you a question emiliano, if China were to be invading us, and we struggled (in Arabic we'd say jahadna, the verb for 'carrying out jihad') would that be wrong? Or would it be an honourable and noble defense?
How on earth any of that can be misconstrued as "terrorism" is just beyond me. Only in the hands of media propagandists and in the receiving minds of dolts could it be so.
Jihad is a means of carrying out an honourable and just cause, in all it's expressions.
Let me ask you a question emiliano, if China were to be invading us, and we struggled (in Arabic we'd say jahadna, the verb for 'carrying out jihad') would that be wrong? Or would it be an honourable and noble defense?
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kai
ragamuffin
its "misconstrued" as terrorism when terrorist use the term or when organisation in Sudan use the term as they wreak havoc with the slogan "Jihad, Victory and Martyrdom." or when its used all over the world by people insisting they are in fact waging a "Jihad" as they blow to pieces men women and children muslim and non muslim alike, furthering thier self seeming honourable and just causes
Thats where the misconception started really
Use of the military tends to be seen as wrong and at least superficially similar to terrorism by at least one of the groups involved in it. That is inherent in the very nature of the thing.
That is why it must be avoided if at all possible.
I have some questions for you: What is Islam doing for oppressed, attacked, invaded and occupied? Who decides on political issues? Who elect their political authorities? Can a woman decide who to marry? What to believe?
The Western nations claim exactly same, they war against aggressive power in defence of those that are oppressed, attacked, invaded and occupied.
I thought that the terrorist were a minority and that moderate a majority of the believers, terrorism is the instrument of the minorities, do the Jihadists like yourself represent the majority of Islam? Are the Islamic people fighting for the invaders of Kuwait.
China invading the Middle East? Why would they do that?
When they can buy them!
Abu Rashid
Active Member
emiliano said:
Islamic resistance movements are resisting the invasions and occupations.
emiliano said:
The head of state...
emiliano said:
The Islamic political system is one of meritocracy. A head of state should be elected by the knowledgable people of society, based on his merit as a leader.
emiliano said:
Yes.
emiliano said:
Nobody can change what people believe. I'm not really sure this question is complete. Can you provide a little context?
emiliano said:
The Western nations are resource hungry vultures and nothing more.
emiliano said:
Moderate and terrorist? what kind of illogical garbage is this?
The vast majority of Muslims just want the West to stop bombing and occupying their countries, propping up dictators, stealing their resources etc. Once that ceases, I'm sure the vast vast majority of Muslims will have no problem with the West.
emiliano said:
I am a jihadist??? News to me. I am a Muslim.
emilano said:
Kuwait is being invaded?? Either you're about 20 years out of touch, or there's something I'm not aware of going on.
emiliano said:
Sorry I've got no idea what you're on about there. Please try to keep your post lucid and on track.
When I mentioned china I spoke about "us" meaning Australia, since you're in Australia, no? And I am an Australian.
Peace
Quran & Sunnah
From where did you get the idea that women in Islam are puppets
It is Islam who gave woman her fullest rights. When you have time you can check that info in Islam two main sources; the Quran and the Hadith.
Peace
Quran & Sunnah
What
You really made me laugh emiliano 
. Have you really read Abu Rachid's post defining Jihad ? If yes, would you tell us what lead you to that unjust conculsion.Abu Rachid said:
kai
ragamuffin
Hi Abu Rashid
could you tell me where the Islamic resistance movements are resisting? and who they are?
Kilgore Trout
Misanthropic Humanist
Moderate Muslims are the ones that try to convince us that Islam isn't a danger to non-Muslims. Extremist Muslims are essentially more honest.
Abu Rashid
Active Member
kai, Turn on your TV and watch the news. Islamic resistance movements are resisting Western invasions all over the globe. Since the 1800's, the European nations have taken it upon themselves to try and "contain" the Islamic world through pre-emptive measures. This is compounded by the fact the Muslim lands are full of natural resources.
Who are they? You mean you want me to name specific movements? All of those fighting the occupations are resistance movements, wouldn't this go without saying? Perhaps you're under the momentary delusion that because I label them resistance movements, rather than terrorist groups (as mindless twits have an aversion to doing), therefore I must naturally support them, their methods and outcomes.. right? Not necessarily, there's many resistance movements I do not support at all, many of them for instance are based on socialism or nationalism etc. and I do not support them at all. Doesn't change the fact they *are* resistance movements.
Who are they? You mean you want me to name specific movements? All of those fighting the occupations are resistance movements, wouldn't this go without saying? Perhaps you're under the momentary delusion that because I label them resistance movements, rather than terrorist groups (as mindless twits have an aversion to doing), therefore I must naturally support them, their methods and outcomes.. right? Not necessarily, there's many resistance movements I do not support at all, many of them for instance are based on socialism or nationalism etc. and I do not support them at all. Doesn't change the fact they *are* resistance movements.
YmirGF
Bodhisattva in Recovery
And yet, those who resist Muslim imperialism are deemed to be mischief makers. Right-o.
kai
ragamuffin
no it doesnt go without saying !resistance to what? i cant make an assumption without knowing who the heck you are talking about?
Tiapan
Grumpy Old Man
I notice Indonesia the largest muslim population in the world is right on our door step. It has its problems and Jihadist radicals eg the embassy, hotel and two Bali bombings that killed many Australians. Yet apart from the slight rift over East Timor, Secular Australia and Muslim Indonesia get on very well and have many successful joint operations to round up and kill the radicals.
As standard of living increases religious extremism decreases.
It is the way of the world
Cheers
As standard of living increases religious extremism decreases.
It is the way of the world
Cheers
YmirGF
Bodhisattva in Recovery
This comment is practically inspired genius.
Abu Rashid posted
Consider that the Arab nations sold out their natural resources, it was their political authorities Elected by their knowledgeable leaders that did the selling, when the western nations cease depending on their resources they will be eating oil, this is on the way. I would like to see that all the West financial resources would be use on remedy this dependency rather than fighting them. The conflict will end when we stop worrying about the execution, and persecutions of their on people, after all they do it to each other, but as I said before the west also believes that they do it in the defence of the oppressed, and the persecuted.
I have been reading your posts and you gave me that impression.
So you are another kind of Muslim? I heard that one before.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invasion_of_Kuwait
Was Saddam a knowledgeable leader? Who defended Kuwait? Do you agree with the USA intervention?
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If China were to invade us we would relay on our friend the USA, they would come.
This is new to me, I see the news and see that they call the west Satan.
Consider that the Arab nations sold out their natural resources, it was their political authorities Elected by their knowledgeable leaders that did the selling, when the western nations cease depending on their resources they will be eating oil, this is on the way. I would like to see that all the West financial resources would be use on remedy this dependency rather than fighting them. The conflict will end when we stop worrying about the execution, and persecutions of their on people, after all they do it to each other, but as I said before the west also believes that they do it in the defence of the oppressed, and the persecuted.
I have been reading your posts and you gave me that impression.
So you are another kind of Muslim? I heard that one before.
The Invasion of Kuwait, also known as the Iraq-Kuwait War, was a major conflict between the Republic of Iraq and the State of Kuwait, which resulted in the seven-month long Iraqi occupation of Kuwait, which subsequently led to direct military intervention by United States-led forces in the Gulf War.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invasion_of_Kuwait
Was Saddam a knowledgeable leader? Who defended Kuwait? Do you agree with the USA intervention?
Too right, we have to stop this dependency, Australia should go Nuclear, replace petrol for ethanol, use solar energy, and the wind, this is already on the way so am hopeful in the future of this country, but at the same time I feel sorry for those that will suffer when we and other Western nation stop their dependency, at present we are so dependant that if they dont sell we will use any means to obtain it including stealing it.
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Australia is a wealthy country and can buy the resources it needs and doesnt need other alternatives to obtain natural resources. Our support and participation on the side of the USA is just a security measure that will disappear if we go Nuclear, at present we a dependant on the USA friendship for our defence.
If China were to invade us we would relay on our friend the USA, they would come.
Peace
Quran & Sunnah
Afghanistan is not an Islamic coutry and it is not the representative of Islam. So your example in this case is not valid.
The behaviors and feedback of these people are against the teaching of Islam.
It's not the Islamic idea of freedom too. Many such incidents happen in other religions too and against their teaching, so shall I generalize and say that those people are the real representative of the religion. You are coming up here with examples of behaviors that go against the teaching of Islam and you say that is Islam, this is just absurd and nonsense
darkendless
Guardian of Asgaard
There is no religion without people to follow it so people represent the religion.
What i do not understand (and this is not specifically Islamic) is why religions take no responsibility for the people within that religion who adversely affect it or bring negative attention to it.
You can't simply count the hits and ignore the misses. Isolating those who are detrimental to religions only makes it more obvious that leaders are afraid to take responsibility for those underneath them.
What i do not understand (and this is not specifically Islamic) is why religions take no responsibility for the people within that religion who adversely affect it or bring negative attention to it.
You can't simply count the hits and ignore the misses. Isolating those who are detrimental to religions only makes it more obvious that leaders are afraid to take responsibility for those underneath them.
You are absolutely correct, people do represent the religion they follow. Now, we have good examples and bad examples representing Islam. The good is much more than the bad. So, we should explain why those bad examples are not representatives of the religion. Which is very easy, because there actions go against clear verses in the Quran, and the teachings of the prophet (pbuh). So, using them as an example to condone the religion, is just wrong.