So you would prefer a world wherein nobody said what they think; a world of pretend?
We can say what we think without deliberately insulting other people.
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So you would prefer a world wherein nobody said what they think; a world of pretend?
Ah, so we needs to be "Politically Correct"?We can say what we think without deliberately insulting other people.
Ah, so we needs to be "Politically Correct"?
And just how far does one take the "political correctness"?
Seems to me that there are loads of people already walking on egg shells for fear of upsetting some extremely violent Muslims.
Why must the world walk on eggshells?
I think the whole idea that "Draw Muhammad Day" should be removed is ridiculous. Since when is it "wrong" to question or criticize religious dogma?
For the record, I do support hate speech laws, because we should call things what they are. Unreasonable and hurtful attacks against blacks is racism and hate speech. Unreasonable and hurtful attacks against Jews is anti-Semitism and hate speech. Unreasonable and hurtful attacks against women is sexism and hate speech.
Unreasonable and hurtful attacks against homosexuals is homophobia and hate speech. Those should all be punished when applicable, but attacking some the stupid religious dogmas of the past - whether Christianity or Islam - is an indisputable right, and is never hate speech, and is totally legal.
It sounds like you want to censor speech when it's hate speech you don't like, but other hate speech is OK. Is that your intent? Were you to give the gov't power
to criminalize speech, you would give it to every politician to come down the pike. Are you ready to grant it to the next Richard Nixon, GW Bush, B Clinton or LBJ?
Questioning religious dogma is just that: questioning religious dogma. It is not hate speech.
I think it's a logical fallacy to compare questioning or criticizing outdated beliefs to bandying about vile, hate-filled stereotypes about people just for who they are. For example there are people like White Supremacists who spout out their vile attitudes, blaming "the Jew" or "the Negro" for their personal problems, without any evidence whatsoever. That is what I consider hate, because you are hating them for the way they look.
However there is nothing wrong with merely criticizing the reactionary beliefs of another person. We should not be so blind as to shy away from cultural criticism of reactionary attitudes, as this a necessary part of a progressive multicultural society.
But that is not the question. The point is in the last few hundred years his portrayal has been forbidden in Muslim circles. Such was not the case in the years before that and there are many images created BY Muslims prior to about 1600 or so. This new thing is an innovation, imo. The point is that ANY depiction of Muhammad is now considered blasphemous, not just "disrespectful positions", so there is no wiggle room.We are not talking about questioning beliefs. Is putting pictures of my prophet on the internet in disrespectful positions a question?
But that is not the question. The point is in the last few hundred years his portrayal has been forbidden in Muslim circles. Such was not the case in the years before that and there are many images created BY Muslims prior to about 1600 or so. This new thing is an innovation, imo. The point is that ANY depiction of Muhammad is now considered blasphemous, not just "disrespectful positions", so there is no wiggle room.
In my view the bottom line is that Muslims put far too much emphasis on Muhammad, to a very unhealthy degree. It is like you are all falling over yourselves to prove who loves the prophet more. It's unseemly and needs to be reexamined.
If someone warns you not to go down a certain ally because it's a well-known fact that there's a gang of thugs in it that mug, rape, and sometimes kill anyone who goes down it, you don't say "You're not the boss of me!" and walk down it just to spite them, right?
No.We are not talking about questioning beliefs. Is putting pictures of my prophet on the internet in disrespectful positions a question?
The protests are analagous to walking into the alley with roughly two million people and doing that. The point is, the target becomes too large for the extremists to hit.
No.
When people start threating the lives of the artists for doodles, then there's no questioning left to do.
You're wrong about this.
Decades of muslim hissy fits have ground down the most religiously sympathetic of us; while this is far from the worst occasion, it's the last straw for me and, appearantly, many others.
Doodles.
Drawrings.
Stickmen.
These aren't something to kill others over, no matter how disrespectful.
We don't owe you one ounce of respect.
We should and must tolerate your beliefs, but thusfar have no reason whatsoever to respect them (some would say we have even less reason to).
Now, the counter-reactionary sensiblilities many of us adopted after the massive outlet of islamiphobia after 9/11 is starting to feel somewhat mislpaced in my view; obviously, muslims didn't deserve at large to take credit for what a lone faction took up...
...however...
...i'm increasingly feeling that this has become a carte-blanche for the muslim world to more vocal and unified with as to their displeasure across the globe. I realize that this is a severly paranoid statement to make, but Islam has a poor history at weathering bad press with anything but death threats, or, death.
Which is why i love May 20th.
I think, in all the mess of the past couple years, when the world became much more aquainted and familliar with islam we made the assumption that the adaptation would be mutual. And that doesn't seem near on the horizon, i think.
So we're down to our last recourse: we've probed, prodded, courted and hell, bombed islam to no avail, so we're down to our last recourse.
Drawing pictures.
Welcome to the free world, suckers
...riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight...
Forgetting that a single bomb can potentially kill hundreds of, if not a thousand, people...
Where free speech is concerned so far as the OP goes, this is a fairly black and white topic.I don't know if you actually read this entire thread or not, so if you didn't, may be you should read it.
That's ok, i wasn't actually expecting much anyways.If you did, then i don't know what to say.
Where free speech is concerned so far as the OP goes, this is a fairly black and white topic.
Which is why even the tiniest mewlings for respect for your prophet should be hammered with harshly so far as current events go;
(Hey! <- that's you!)
'Cuz let's face it, it's gotten old.
Now, not to be too rude, but so far as drawing your prophet goes, you're just gonna have to take it lying down as-in-nothing-you-can-do-about-it-just-try-and-ban-it-now-okbye.
That's ok, i wasn't actually expecting much anyways.
Oh, believe me, i would.Well, it's obvious you haven't read the thread, because if you did, you wouldn't say this repeated, meaningless and disrespectful stuff.
Oh, believe me, i would.